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Old 01-15-2006, 06:10 PM   #16
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If you notice I did put quotation marks around the word Christian in my comment. If that type of "Christian" (which is to say a pseudo Christian as no real Christian would blame the world's ills on any specific group or groups) is not you, then it should be no slight to you.

If you are that type of "Christian," well, then I'm surprised.
I wasn't responding to your post, so I didn't notice whether or not you used quotation marks.
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No link, is this from in Iran or George Bush's America?

looks like it is in public

so I say

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Sorry but I would not entirely agree. I think you are perceptibly - maybe not dramatically - but perceptibly exaggerating by putting rhetoric against homosexuals on the same level as rhetoric against Jews. If you look at conspiracy theory sites on the Internet, for example, a worryingly large number of them are just rehashing of long discredited 'Elders of Zion, the Jews control banking' mythology.
Justice Scalia has been quoted off-the-bench as saying that homosexuals were a "disproportionately wealthy minority," thus undeserving of civil protection. And what about the supposed "gay mafia" in Hollywood? You know, since gay people only exist to corrupt and destroy heterosexual families, as revenge for not being to have children of their own.

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And there must be some kind of market for this kind of stuff otherwise people wouldn't bother setting up these kind of sites. While many of those sites may also be homophobic they don't blame homosexuals for the ills of the world to the same extent that they blame Jews.
There's plenty of a market for this kind of stuff here in America:

http://www.family.org/married/topics/a0025114.cfm

We just don't think twice about it, whereas looking at anti-Semitic literature sets off an alarm for us.

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No link, is this from in Iran or George Bush's America?
I'm no friend of Iran by any stretch of the imagination. I have a passing interest in classical Iranian culture, and I'd have an interest in visiting Iran someday. However, I would never visit it in its current state, because I could never implicitly back a government of which I do not approve (not to mention that there are U.S. travel restrictions to Iran).

But, aside from not killing homosexuals, America has been no friend to the gay community. And I will point out and decry any hypocrisy when it comes to Westerners pointing their fingers at foreign cultures. Maybe they should spend equal time examining their own. But that's ethnocentrism at its best.

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And Ahmadinejad declaring the west to be Medieval whats that, telling it like it is?
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And Ahmadinejad declaring the west to be Medieval whats that, telling it like it is?
Another form of 'ethnocentrism' perhaps?
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It cannot work both ways, didn't you read Orientalism?
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It cannot work both ways, didn't you read Orientalism?
No I was lucky to escape leftist brainwashing at university.

Probably because I studied business.
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Well no A_Wanderer I have never read any of Edward Said's books.

Just curious, what is wrong with the statement below:-
"I have spent a great deal of my life during the past 35 years advocating the rights of the Palestinian people to national self-determination, but I have always tried to do that with full attention paid to the reality of the Jewish people and what they suffered by way of persecution and genocide. The paramount thing is that the struggle for equality in Palestine/Israel should be directed toward a humane goal, that is, co-existence, and not further suppression and denial"

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Nothing at all is wrong with that statement.

I found that Bernard Lewis gave a brilliant critique in an essay called "The Question of Orientalism" in his book 'Islam and the West'.
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And Ahmadinejad declaring the west to be Medieval whats that, telling it like it is?
If we're so much better than those dirty sand people, then we should be setting the shining example for the savages, should we not?

Iranian reformists have taken notice that the Bush Administration isn't exactly a shining example for secularism. That's why they don't look to America for help anymore.

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Almost sounds like Kipling.

Tremendous straw man argument there though, but the problem is there isn't much that the world can do in the face of a regime that is eagerly awaiting the return of the Mahdi and the end of days other than give more active support to dissidents both financial and material.

Sanctions would be terrible, war is impossible and undesirable and a nuclear Iran would be an invitation for trouble all over the place - one would sooner trust North Korea with those weapons, for all their many murderous faults even Stalinists are pragmatic.
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Almost sounds like Kipling.
Sorry but you're one of the people on here that espouse neo-'conservatism' and interventionism.

So don't give us bullshitology like 'almost sounds like Kipling'.

It makes you look like a hypocrite.
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The British Empire wasn't built on democratic peace theory.
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