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Old 01-03-2008, 10:17 AM   #31
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new predictions:

1. Obama
2. Edwards
3. Hillary

1. Romney
2. Huckabee
3. Thompson
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Old 01-03-2008, 11:49 AM   #32
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I'd love to see Edwards come in at #1.
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I'd love to see Edwards come in at #1.
So would I. Lately I have been considering voting for him, even though he won't win. That doesn't matter to me though, I'll vote my choice regardless.

Poll: Obama grabs Iowa lead from Edwards
Huckabee leads Romney, according to latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll
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updated 9:27 a.m. ET, Thurs., Jan. 3, 2008

DES MOINES, Iowa - Democrat Barack Obama surged to a four-point lead over John Edwards in Iowa, with Hillary Clinton fading to third just hours before the first presidential nominating contest, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Thursday.

Obama and Edwards gained ground overnight in the tracking poll, and Clinton fell four points to third place — a finish that, if it held, would deal a dramatic setback to the one-time Democratic front-runner.

Obama was at 31 percent among likely Democratic caucus-goers, Edwards at 27 percent and Clinton 24 percent. No other Democrat was in double digits.

In the Republican race, Mike Huckabee expanded his lead to six points, 31 to 25 percent, over former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, the one-time leader in Iowa who has attacked Huckabee for his record as Arkansas governor.

Former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson is in third place in the Republican race at 11 percent and Arizona Sen. John McCain slipped two points to 10 percent. Texas Rep. Ron Paul also registered 10 percent.

Zogby: Clinton fade
"There is a clear Clinton fade," pollster John Zogby said. "None of it has been dramatic, but it has been steady."

He said Clinton, a New York senator, was losing ground to Obama, an Illinois senator, among Democrats — as opposed to independents — and self-described liberals.

"Under any circumstance, a 31-27-24 spread is still very close," he said of the margins for the top three Democratic contenders. "Edwards is right in the mix and he has made gains too."

About 6 percent of Republicans and 5 percent of Democrats remain undecided, leaving room for late swings.

The rolling poll of 905 likely Democratic caucus-goers and 914 likely Republican caucus-goers was taken Sunday through Wednesday and has a margin of error of 3.3 percentage points for each party.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson was fourth with 7 percent and Delaware Sen. Joseph Biden was at 5 percent. Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd was at 1 percent and Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich was under 1 percent.

Dems in three-way battle
Iowa opens the process of choosing the next U.S. president on Thursday night, kicking off a state-by-state battle to choose Republican and Democratic candidates for the November election to replace President George W. Bush.

Obama, Clinton and Edwards have battled for the lead in Iowa for months. Clinton, who would be the first woman president, holds a slight lead among women and is still strong among older voters. Obama leads among men and younger voters.

Edwards, a former North Carolina senator, remained the top second choice of Democrats. A candidate must have 15 percent support in each precinct to be viable or their supporters can switch to another candidate.

In the Republican race, Huckabee gained three points on Romney. The gains followed Monday's news conference where he said he would not air an ad attacking Romney because he wanted to keep the race positive -- and then showed it to reporters.

The move was heavily criticized in the media -- but his numbers have climbed since, Zogby said.

"Everyone outside of Iowa laughed at what appeared to be a Huckabee gambit, but Iowa Republicans seem to think it was genuine," he said.

"Huckabee is not pulling away, but it's now a six-point lead and he has moved above 30 percent."

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who has largely bypassed Iowa to focus on later voting states, is at 6 percent. California Rep. Duncan Hunter is at 1 percent.

The rolling tracking poll concludes with these results. In a rolling poll, the most recent day's results are added while the oldest day's results are dropped in order to track changing momentum.
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So would I. Lately I have been considering voting for him, even though he won't win. That doesn't matter to me though, I'll vote my choice regardless.
He's the only reason I'm re-registering as a Democrat to vote in the Primaries (I registered a long time ago as an Independent). I think Obama talks the talk but I have no confidence in his ability to walk the talk. I'm very uncomfortable with both him and Hillary, much as I'd like to get behind one of them. I will only vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination and the race looks tight, otherwise I cannot vote for her. If it turns out to be Obama or Hillary and it looks like the Democrats will easily win, I won't vote at all. Kucinich is backing Obama which I find incredibly weird and disappointing.
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Edwards strikes me as the only front runner for the Dems with any real principles. Sadly, I've always felt it won't translate into anything concrete.

He's managed to do quite well with little money.
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i don't know why, but i find Edwards full of it.

i can see why he was such a great trial lawyer, and that's about all i can see.

but that's just me.



i like his wife better.
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They all seem full of it to me, in one way or another. I want to believe that he genuinely cares about all that "two Americas" stuff, maybe he doesn't give a crap and it's all a sham. I do really like Senator Obama and the fresh perspective he brings and am still considering voting for him. I like some things about Hillary too but will probably end up choosing Edwards or Obama.
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i don't know why, but i find Edwards full of it.

i can see why he was such a great trial lawyer, and that's about all i can see.

but that's just me.
I've actually heard this a lot as well and most people have told me they find that Southern charm to be extremely suspect.
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My friend Nora and I were just discussing the 2008 elections. We both like Obama and Edwards.
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As an ex-Southerner myself, I can say I absolutely despise so-called Southern charm. I didn't like Edwards when he ran for VP. But he seems different to me now, bolder, speaking more from conviction than charm. I don't think there's any way in hell Obama can even make a dent in cleaning up Bush's mess. It's great to have a fresh voice and all but I don't think there's a lot of substance there. Edwards is tougher and smarter, imo. The Clintons would get the job done, too, I just don't like them.
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Ralph Nader supports Edwards, so that's a good endorsement for me.

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In an appearance on "Hardball," in mid-December, he said Edwards "now has the most progressive message across a broad spectrum of corporate power damaging the interests of workers, consumers, taxpayers, of any candidate I have--leading candidate I have seen in years." He went on to explain that "the key phrase is when he [Edwards] says he doesn't want to replace a corporate Republican with a corporate Democrat." Nader told Politico, " it's the only time I've heard a Democrat talk that way in a long time." For Ralph Nader--and take my word for it, please--that is rare praise for a leading Democratic politician.
I think he'll do well.
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^ exactly why I like him
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i like his wife better.
I first saw this and thought Edwards was wearing a wife beater, but then reread it.

Horrible images in my head...
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I bet U2Democrat has a picture of him wearing a wife beater

The few times I have experienced it I have liked Southern charm, probably just because I'm a life long Northerner used to a steady diet of noncharm. I think it could get tiring and at times offensive if not done correctly. I don't like it when it's condescending and sexist. But there's something to be said for genuine Southern charm and manners and all that.
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Edwards is tougher and smarter, imo. The Clintons would get the job done, too, I just don't like them.
As much as Hillary wouldn't be my first choice, I do think that she has no qualms about playing dirty and her team as well. There is no way the Clintons would get swiftboated, and given how the Republicans go about discrediting people, maybe the only language they understand is that of equal ruthlessness.
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