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Old 01-19-2004, 09:03 PM   #16
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It is looking VERY interesting....Early results pouring in indicate Edwards and Kerry are running VERY strong.
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Old 01-19-2004, 09:20 PM   #17
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I like Kerry more than Dean but I'm looking strongly at Edwards more so than Kerry. My major lean is still with Clarke however.
I just have a bad feeling about Dean and I can't even identify what it is, it's just a gut feeling. Something isn't right. Nothing aganist Dean supporters, it's just me.
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Old 01-19-2004, 09:36 PM   #18
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I just watched Dean imply that Jimmy Carter endorsed him on MSNBC.

He is officially the third place man in IOWA.

Edwards got a Major bump from brokered deals tonight. Many of the delegates were not his, but were brokered to raise him up by the lesser candidates.

How Kerry pulled this off is beyond me....

Wow.
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Old 01-19-2004, 09:57 PM   #19
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Yeah, apparently Kerry's won. Wow. I don't think anyone was picking him to win this thing. I saw the delegate percentages, I think it is, on CNN, and he had 38% compared to 18% for third place finisher Dean. A strong showing for Edwards also. How's that for "to hell with the pundits"?
I'm not a big fan of political pundits.
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Old 01-19-2004, 11:08 PM   #20
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Gephardt is gone

Gephardt only had a one-state strategy, he was far too much for big labor and the unions, and the people just don't want him. I give Gephardt a lot of credit for knowing right away he had no chance and to drop out tonight took a lot of courage.

Clark is in some trouble, Clark was expecting Dean to win because Clark wants to be seen as the 'alternative' to Dean. But with Kerry pulling out such a big victory, Kerry will now be seen as the alternative to Dean.

Hopefully Lieberman and Kucinich will wake up and also drop out.

We learned in California just a few months back, being negative like Gray Davis did is not the way to go. Dean just kept running his mouth the whole time, from defending Osama in the media, to saying on video a few years back the Iowa Caucus didn't mean much.... his mouth is his own worst enemy.
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Clearly, the overall nomination is still very much up for grabs. Clark made his decision to ignore Iowa, in favor of New Hampshire. He made his bed, and now he has to lie in it. With that said, Clark still polls well in much of the country. Whether this unexpected victory by Kerry changes anything is a good question; time will tell on that one. What this will certainly do, to Kerry's advantage, is to inject some well-needed energy into his otherwise lackluster campaign.

Dean is now clearly in trouble. The persistent negative media attacks hacked away at him, and now it is clear that Democrats have doubts about his electability. One thing is for sure, though. Kerry does somewhat have a presidential demeanor to him, so I do believe he passes the "electable" test.

I will be very curious as to see what happens in New Hampshire, because I think we may be in for more surprises.

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Old 01-19-2004, 11:32 PM   #22
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OK, if Florida wasn't a good example in 2000, Iowa is a great example now. I don't care what you say -- the polls are messed up and even more so when you throw the candidates into a caucus situation like Iowa. Don't believe the polls until after Election Day in November! Vote the way you want -- you may be surprised at the outcome.

As for the win, I really like Kerry so I'm glad he did so well. Don't know exactly what happened but it worked. I don't know enough about Edwards but I'll go learn some more now. As for Dean, I'm reading a profile about him in the New Yorker and thing he sounds really good too. And I have a cousin who is working for Dean in Iowa - don't know where he's headed to now.

So in the end, I'm happy with the top three and it makes me more confident of my ABB [Anyone But Bush] vote in the fall.
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Old 01-19-2004, 11:38 PM   #23
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We should do a tailgate caucus/primary poll or something... for every caucus and primary, we do one here concurrently, while debating the issues.
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Old 01-20-2004, 12:38 AM   #24
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Dean will sweep New Hampshire

Iowa won't be indicative of much hopefully. Dean will win easy in New Hampshire. John Kerry may have won today, but he won't win New Hampshire. New Hampshire has lost tons of jobs due to jobs going overseas, Bush's recession, and Kerry has voted for NAFTA and other free-trade agreements. Also, John Kerry voted for the war in Iraq, and Gephardt even drafted up the war authorization bill, that's why Gephardt dropped out, he knew he would get slaughtered in liberal New Hampshire. John Kerry has a record now of supporting unprovoked pre-emptive wars, Kerry was over in Vietnam with a machine gun, and Vietnam never attacked America. Kerry kept his mouth shut in 1998 when Clinton was bombing Iraq, and Kerry voted for the current war in Iraq, and Iraq never attacked America. Kerry has a track record now of being a warmonger, and 500 Americans are dead this time due to Kerry signing the war authorization.

The circus in Iowa tonight was nothing close to a democratic process. In many locations, Gephardt voters found out that Gephardt was not a 'viable' candidate at their certain location, so the Gephardt voters then had to vote for someone else. Gephardt voters would not flip over to Dean, because Dean was running negative TV commercials about Gephardt. So, many of the Gephardt supporters ended up voting for Edwards. I even saw on TV a co-chairman of the Gephardt campaign wearing a huge GEPHARDT t-shirt vote for Edwards along with many other Gephardt supporters. Also, Kucinich told all his voters to vote for Edwards in the caucus. Essentially, Edwards was 3 candidates wrapped into one body tonight, and his showing of 32% was far higher than his actual support basis.

As more and more American soldiers keep dying in Bush's illegal war, Dean will remind the American public that warmonger Kerry voted for dictator Bush's illegal war. Hopefully when Dean becomes president next year, he will send Bush, Kerry, Gephardt, and all the other warmongers to the Hague, and they can all go on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Dean has always been against the war in Iraq, Kerry voted for the war in Iraq and now says Bush tricked him into it. Kerry's excuse of 'being tricked into it' isn't good enough. This shows that Kerry is just a follower and a puppet for Bush, Dean is a leader. Come November, we're not going to send Bush back to Texas, we're going to send Bush and Kerry over to the Hague to go on trial for war crimes, and they can both rot in jail together. Dean cannot be stopped, he is the best thing for America.
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Old 01-20-2004, 12:56 AM   #25
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I just took a look at the numbers and surprise is an understatement! I can't believe someone as a dull and monotone as John Kerry won the Iowa caucuas, let alone a senate seat in Massachusetts.

I'm a "Clark Guy" and believe he'll win the New Hampshire Primary due to Dean's newly-found vunerbilities. Kerry is still trailing Wes in the Granite State, so any support Dean loses will only help the General.

Please God, don't let Kerry win this thing. PLEASE LORD!!!!!!???
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Originally posted by Dreadsox
Edwards and Kucinick struck a deal to support each other depending on the situation precinct by precinct.http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...ich/index.html
That agreement actually got Kucinich a delegate in my precinct.
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Old 01-20-2004, 08:59 AM   #27
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Congrats to Kerry! I've always liked him. Dean or Clark are higher up on my list. I love how Dean's raised $ and his populist thing and Clark just seems really brilliant. But Kerry is rock solid, and a Vet. Hmmm....

I have a question, and it goes to those who worry about Kerry being "dull" or who didn't like Gore cause he was "still" or "boring." My question is...why does this matter to you? Is it an electibility thing? No really reason, just don't like it? I guess I worry about the whole thing becoming a popularity contest rather than about the issues. Any insight would be appreciated.


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Old 01-20-2004, 12:09 PM   #28
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Actually after watching CSPAN nonstop for the last few days, I don't think Kerry came across as dull. He had injected more passion into his speeches and adopted a bit of Deans anger, which I think helped him. Also he has some good slogans going in also.
I have to say I've been really impressed by John Edwards, although I wish he would go into more detail about his proposed policies (course I've been lazy and not investigated his website). He has a great populist view and is a marked opposite to Bush.

Actually I'm happy with the way Iowa turned out. I haven't made up my mind and like all three of the front runners. I also like Kucinich tagging Edwards. I didn't want the nomination to be easy for anyone. They need trial by fire to hold up against Dubyah. I also am pleased that negative ads seemed to backfire.
Don't I wish they were outlawed in the general election.
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Old 01-20-2004, 12:25 PM   #29
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if you go to CNN's site they have a great snapshot of all the candidates' positions on different views. quick and easy.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/spe...ues/index.html
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Clark is already attacking Kerry. Fun thing to be the front runner
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