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Old 10-13-2004, 12:45 PM   #1
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In Iraq Grave, Evidence Of Regime's Horrors

just a warning, this is quite graphic. The article continues for 3 pages

http://www.boston.com/news/world/art...gimes_horrors/
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Yes - never forget that our regimes didn't stop Saddam when this hapened and some people (now members of the administration) even asked their government to lift sanctions so that they can make more business with them.

Fact is:
It's horrible what hapened in iraq and noone cared.
It's horrible what hapens in other places today and we don't care
It's sad when people start to use these evidences of tyrany of the 80ies for justifying their politics which lead to more WMD-Facilities on the black market:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ear/index.html
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On Wednesday, Iraq's interim science and technology minister, Rashad Omar, told The Associated Press that all sites under the interim government's control had been secured.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3738452.stm
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Satellite imagery showed that entire buildings had been dismantled, said the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Scott Ritter:
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"History will judge that Britain and the United States made the world a worse place with their war on Iraq."
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"Saddam is gone and the world is far worse for it - not because his regime posed no threat, perceived or otherwise, but because the threat to international peace and security resulting from the decisions made by Bush and Blair to invade Iraq in violation of international law make any threat emanating from an Iraq ruled by Saddam pale in comparison"
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Ritter opposed the war from the get-go. People were dying by the hundreds of thousands all through the 1990's and the situation was not getting any better. If inspections had completed and didnt yield anything sanctions would have been lifted and the regime would have reactivated its WMD program. That was the conclusion of the report and I suggest that people read it.

Right war, right place, right time.
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People were dying by the hundreds of thousands all through the 1990's

do you have a reliable source for this?
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Old 10-14-2004, 02:15 AM   #6
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The UNICEF statistics on Iraq combined with an AI statement on the matter. As well as the blatant exploitation of the victims by the regime as they manipulated the sanctions to their ends should suffice when making that statement because a lot of people died at the hands of the regime and under the sanctions which were cruely abused by Saddam to supress the population. The estimate of those killed in Saddams reign directly by the regime are 300,000+, onto this add those killed by sanctions and the figures become devastating.

http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/...tatistics.html
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Maybee you gave me the wrong link or i'm to blind to see...
...interesting statistics, even about Child labour and Aids (increddible low aids-rate btw) but i couldn't find anything on that linked page about the number of tortured people.
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Here is a more concice listing
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...murder-in-Iraq
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hmm you were talking about UN- and AI sources, i don't know about the credibility of nationmaster

The terror in the 80ies and after the rebellion that followed the 1991 Gulf War are no news - and they show how much we (the western world) care about human rights. many people who praise today that they stoped the torture of saddam watched the human rights abuse & torture in these days
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Do you think that I like seeing Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam. The dirty deals made to prolong a war that claimed one million lives. The support from western governments (significantly US, France and Germany) and the truly massive support from the USSR. Just because they stood by then does not detract from it being the right thing to do now.
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No i think it was simply the wrong time the evildoer wasn't that evil anymore today there are more scary things going on (Pakistan and North Korea for example)

Hussein was allready old it would have bin better to help the oposition there (like the kurds in the last years). A democracy has to come from inside.

Now we invaded a country and helped terrorists and dangerous dictators to get saddams factories and plants to produce WMDs. More than that because we lost credibility we helped Al-Quaida & Co to recruit more members - "Mission Accomplished"?
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Mission Accomplished was never stated by Bush and it was on the carrier because their mission in operation Iraqi Freedom was accomplished.
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*Cough Cough* Bullshit!
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Gosh, that's grisly. I opposed the invasion of Iraq, but I'll be damned if it was because I had any love for Saddam. No dice.
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Great posts A_Wanderer

Like the poem too.

My love, I'm so sorry I could do nothing to save you.
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My heart is crushed. I have no tears left to cry.

But go home to God now. Go now, and rest.
Don't be afraid to leave us alone down here.
Help has arrived. The killer has been captured.
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