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Old 10-03-2002, 04:20 PM   #16
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I think that its funny bc we have all theses "WARS" ie Terror,Drugs, and Crime! And yet nothing seems to come of them, unless you count everyone getting pissed off with the US as something, but I dont see any change at all!
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can we also liken it to the war on drugs? pleeeeeeease?

Let bomb the poppy fields in Afghanistan.
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Old 10-03-2002, 04:22 PM   #18
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This is where I get a bit sketchy on the war against terror. What exactly are we waging war on?


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I am curious about what you are thinking here YODA. How is the war on terror similar to the Vietnam War?????

Thanks in advance for your wisdom oh great JEDI!!!
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I think that its funny bc we have all theses "WARS" ie Terror,Drugs, and Crime! And yet nothing seems to come of them, unless you count everyone getting pissed off with the US as something, but I dont see any change at all!
I agree, we need to find new solutions (doesn't that sound like someone?) to the problems. The opposite of war might actually work.
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I agree, we need to find new solutions (doesn't that sound like someone?) to the problems. The opposite of war might actually work.
Exactly what I meant to say!
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Lets just put everyone that likes U2 and U2 on a boat and do a Noahs Ark thing to get rid of Evil!

praytell, what would you name the boat? ...


Motely Crew??...

Ship of Fools?

The human race was dyin' out.
Noone left to scream and shout.
People walking on the moon.
Smog will get you pretty soon.

Everyone was hanging out.
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Hanging in and holding fast.
Hope our little world will last.

Yeah, along came Mr. Goodtrips
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Come on, people better climb on board.
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Ship of fools, ship of fools.

The human race was dyin' out.
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Ship of fools, ship of fools.
Ship of fools, ship of fools.
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I am curious about what you are thinking here YODA. How is the war on terror similar to the Vietnam War?????

Thanks in advance for your wisdom oh great JEDI!!!
  • the country is split
  • it is unclear what we are fighting for
  • it is unclear how we are going to win
  • it is unclear IF we are going to win
  • it seems rather avoidable at this stage
  • did i mention the country is divided?
  • we don't have a lot of support from other countries.



and that is how i think it is similar to vietnam.
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  • the country is split
  • it is unclear what we are fighting for
  • it is unclear how we are going to win
  • it is unclear IF we are going to win
  • it seems rather avoidable at this stage
  • did i mention the country is divided?
  • we don't have a lot of support from other countries.



and that is how i think it is similar to vietnam.
AND we're getting between two factions in what will amount to a civil war in Iraq with us in the middle.

Just like Vietnam.
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AND we're getting between two factions in what will amount to a civil war in Iraq with us in the middle.

Just like Vietnam.
Ditto. And let's throw in world wide disdain for our impending actions (except Tony of course). Only the people not Gov't's.
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whats really weird is that this country is relatively "young" compared to the other countries that are around and yet we are in everyone's business and telling them what to do!
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  • the country is split
  • Stats please????? What pole are you using to come to this conclusion that Americans are Split on the War on Terror? I have found many a pole on the citizens feelings about Iraq, but that is almost a separate issue at this point.

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  • it is unclear what we are fighting for
  • Our country was attacked by 19 Al-Qaeda members. This in and of itself is a declaration of war against our citizens by them. We have been attacked numerous times over the past 10 years. What is unclear about this?

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  • it is unclear how we are going to win
  • it is unclear IF we are going to win
  • I suppose there are a number of ways to debate this issue. My definition of winning, would be when the United States citizenship is safe once again we are safe. I need to think on this one a bit more.

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  • it seems rather avoidable at this stage
  • I would agree on one count. I believe that if we can remove the handcuffs that have been placed upon our FBI and Intelligence agencies we may begin to see future problems avoided.

    However, we are at war. Not avoidable as of 9/11/01. They attacked. It is time to defend ourselves.

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  • did i mention the country is divided?
  • Again...what poles are you using to make this statement? I would submit that there are relatively few things that we are not divided on. Again, if you are talking about Iraq, we can look at the latest stats about American feelings about this topic.

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  • we don't have a lot of support from other countries.
Hmmmm...I believe the only thing that is in question is the support about the Iraqi invasion. The French, German, English, Turkish, and Russian governments have pledged support in the war on Terror. Again, the Iraqi situation is a different situation all together.
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AND we're getting between two factions in what will amount to a civil war in Iraq with us in the middle.

Just like Vietnam.
I remember hearing this argument the last time we went into Iraq. Did it turn out to be another Vietnam?
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It seems to me like we are killing ppl, hunting down Osmama, instead oftrying to fix the problems with why the terrorists hate us, we actually are just making them hate us more I think!
Yeah, pretty much. They'll just get more pissed off, blow up more buildings and the like, and we'll capture some more of their guys. The more of their countries we destroy in wars, the more children will be angry at us, and enter terrorist groups for their own self-preservation. In the end, it'll just be a stalemate, and we'll be even more alienated from the middle East than we are right now.
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My definition of winning, would be when the United States citizenship is safe once again we are safe. I need to think on this one a bit more.

If we go by your definition then we will never "WIN" bc we are just pissing ppl off and making them hate us more right now, instead i think we should be trying to help them get their ppl fed and get health care and DROP THEIR DEBTS!
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If we go by your definition then we will never "WIN" bc we are just pissing ppl off and making them hate us more right now, instead i think we should be trying to help them get their ppl fed and get health care and DROP THEIR DEBTS!
I did say I had to think on this a little more.......... Obviously that part of my statement was not enough.

Sting if you are out there.....You are a stat man......Got any stats on how much debt relief and foreign aid we have sent out?

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