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Old 09-12-2007, 03:42 PM   #46
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Then what is the point of fighting in Iraq if the general whose mission is Iraq is not sure if fighting there is making us safer? Why are we there?
It is not the job of the soldier to understand the entire reason he or she is being sent into battle. They are given a mission. The "why are we there" question is to be answered by those that send the soldier into battle (Congress and the President)

That being said, I am quite certain this general believes that his mission in Iraq is legal and moral. However, he is unable to draw a direct parallel between his mission and the overall safety of America because that is quite frankly WELL beyond his scope of responsibilities.

You must admit - this man is not an idiot. He was 5th in his class at West Point and has a PhD from Princeton - not something to ignore. He is wise to admit that his focus is Iraq.
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It is not the job of the soldier to understand the entire reason he or she is being sent into battle. They are given a mission. The "why are we there" question is to be answered by those that send the soldier into battle (Congress and the President)

That being said, I am quite certain this general believes that his mission in Iraq is legal and moral. However, he is unable to draw a direct parallel between his mission and the overall safety of America because that is quite frankly WELL beyond his scope of responsibilities.

You must admit - this man is not an idiot. He was 5th in his class at West Point and has a PhD from Princeton - not something to ignore. He is wise to admit that his focus is Iraq.
He is wise, which is why he didn't answer truthfully.
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That being said, I am quite certain this general believes that his mission in Iraq is legal and moral. However, he is unable to draw a direct parallel between his mission and the overall safety of America because that is quite frankly WELL beyond his scope of responsibilities.


no it's not. it is precisely his responsibility. he's a general. his job is to conduct an operation that is going to achieve it's goals, and one of those goals that's been repeated by the president over and over -- we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here, and that's just one excuse -- is that the safety of the US is one of the reasons we are in Iraq.

but he doesn't even know if that's true. and this is *exactly* what's wrong over there. there is no mission. there are no goals. there are no strategies. there's just politics, politics, politics.
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He is wise, which is why he didn't answer truthfully.
WASHINGTON (CNN) – Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, criticized MoveOn.org Monday for taking an ad out in The New York Times criticizing Gen. David Petraeus. The general is testifying before Congress today about the situation in Iraq. (Related: Dems join GOP in slamming ad attacking Petraeus)

“I don’t like any kind of characterizations in our politics that call into question any active duty, distinguished general,” Kerry told CNN, adding “who I think under any circumstances serves with the best interests of our country.”
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(also, it's kind of sad to see the STING-like insistence on a 'multi-national force')
That is his actual title: Commander of Muti-National-Force-Iraq
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Kerry is right

Just like McCain was right when he said the swift-boat ads were disgraceful

and anyone that would defend that ad is silly

making fun of someone's name is something you might expect in grade school
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I think he did answer truthfully. That's what is scary about it. He really doesn't know if it makes us safer. He tried to not give an answer like that, but when Sen. Warner repeated the questions, he gave his honest opinion.

And yes, that add was stupid. I do think the general is a smart man. I do think he's doing the best he can in a bad situation that he didn't create. And that's why I think his "I don't know" answer is very telling about the whole situation we're in in Iraq.
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Aeon is right

I did watch quite a bit of these hearings

politicians and us members of the public can speculate


An officer can not

and if he is asked if he thinks we (the US) are safer because of the surge

he would not have the luxury of even speculating

also, it really is beyond the scope of what he has time or even the ability to speculate about


fortunately/ or unfortunately depending on how you choose to look at it

he can only answer for the task he has been given


the rest of us can speculate and draw conclusions
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That is his actual title: Commander of Muti-National-Force-Iraq


right. it's politicized from top to bottom.
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let's be fair


it there are even small numbers of troops from other nations it must be called multi-national



at the same time,
to suggest or mislead to the American people that we are not bearing something like 90%? of the burden is less than honest
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Aeon is right
and if he is asked if he thinks we (the US) are safer because of the surge

he would not have the luxury of even speculating


he wasn't asked if the surge was making us safer. he was asked if the entire mission was making us safer.
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I still believe that is something he can not speculate on

his job is to complete the tasks given him


and he can report on the status of those tasks
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I still believe that is something he can not speculate on

his job is to complete the tasks given him


and he can report on the status of those tasks



hasn't the whole "lack of a big picture" been the problem here?
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hasn't the whole "lack of a big picture" been the problem here?
Yes. That is exactly what I want to tell Sean Penn, Cindy Sheehan, and the lovely Code Pink women.
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Right. Because they're the ones causing the real damage to America and its reputation.


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