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Old 09-11-2007, 02:06 AM   #31
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i can agree with this.

but with the caveat that we'd have needed a different president and SecDef.
And I can agree on the SecDef....
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:43 PM   #32
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and if we had a different president, we'd have a different SecDef, and if we had a different president, he'd have accepted Rumsfeld's resignation after Abu Ghraib.

it all comes back to Bush.
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During the Q&A round at the armed services committee, Senator John Warner, the Virginia Republican who used to chair the committee and who has called for beginning a disengagement in Iraq, took a few sharp (albeit respectful) jabs at Petraeus, noting that one intelligence report after another has said that political reconciliation in Iraq could be a bridge too far. He then asked Petraeus a pointed question: "Do you feel that [Iraq war] is making America safer"?

Petraeus paused before responding. He then said: "I believe this is indeed the best course of action to achieve our objectives in Iraq."

That was, of course, a non-answer. And Warner wasn't going to let the general dodge the bullet. He repeated the question: "Does the [Iraq war] make America safer?"

Petraeus replied, "I don't know, actually. I have not sat down and sorted in my own mind."

Don't know? Is it possible that the war is not making the United States safer? Petraeus went on to note that he has "taken into account" the war's impact on the U.S. military and that it's his job to recommend to the president the best course for reaching "the objectives of the policy" in Iraq. Yet he did not say that the Iraq war is essential to the national security of the United States. Warner did not press the general any further on this point. The senator's time was up.
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^ The most important moment of the hearing. "Is this making America safer?" "I don't know". From the general in charge. Wow.
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^ The most important moment of the hearing. "Is this making America safer?" "I don't know". From the general in charge. Wow.


so, not only has the Surge failed on the basis of the goals set by the Bush administration, but so has the entire war.

so let's watch them, again, try to shift the goalposts.
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^ The most important moment of the hearing. "Is this making America safer?" "I don't know". From the general in charge. Wow.
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^ The most important moment of the hearing. "Is this making America safer?" "I don't know". From the general in charge. Wow.
It is not his job to assess the entire global climate. His mission is Iraq.
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Why do ppl keep picking on a guy named "Surge" here?
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It is not his job to assess the entire global climate. His mission is Iraq.
Um, he was asked whether the Iraq mission is making America safer. Not whether it was making the world safer.

Surely if you believed Iraq was a threat to the US and/or harboured terrorists then you should believe that controlling the situation would at least partially increase security in the US.
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Next time - please give the FULL answer:

Petraeus: "Sir, I don't know, actually. I have not sat down and sorted out in my own mind. What I have focused on and been riveted on is how to accomplish the mission of the Multi-National Force in Iraq."
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Surely if you believed Iraq was a threat to the US and/or harboured terrorists then you should believe that controlling the situation would at least partially increase security in the US.
Assessing threats on US soil is the job of our intelligence agencies, not the commander of the forces in Iraq.
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Next time - please give the FULL answer:

Petraeus: "Sir, I don't know, actually. I have not sat down and sorted out in my own mind. What I have focused on and been riveted on is how to accomplish the mission of the Multi-National Force in Iraq."


i don't see how this changes a thing.

he's in control of the whole opereation. surely he has to consider the big picture? surely he has to understand the philosophy behind the mission?

(also, it's kind of sad to see the STING-like insistence on a 'multi-national force')
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Assessing threats on US soil is the job of our intelligence agencies, not the commander of the forces in Iraq.
He's a general for God's sake!

Let's say they were fighting al-Qaeda. If someone asked him, "Is this making America safer?" He'd definitely respond, "Absolutely."

The difference is that we're not fighting al-Qaeda.
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i don't see how this changes a thing.

he's in control of the whole opereation.
He's in charge of the missions in Afghanistan? The Phillipines? Malasia? Korea?

What do you mean "the whole operation?"
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It is not his job to assess the entire global climate. His mission is Iraq.
Then what is the point of fighting in Iraq if the general (whose mission is Iraq) is not sure that fighting there is making us safer? Why are we there?
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