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Old 09-15-2007, 06:56 PM   #271
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This whole discussion of quotes is ridiculous.
Is it not important know what our leaders were saying from 1998-2003? Especially since their words are what stoked the "war fever?"
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Old 09-15-2007, 06:59 PM   #272
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climate in America during that time was, you are with us or against us.
And who was responsible for creating this climate? Certainly Bush can't be made to hold this particular bag alone:

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"Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."

Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
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You forgot this part of the article:

No, I didn't.

Doesn't relate to my point.
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Is it not important know what our leaders were saying from 1998-2003? Especially since their words are what stoked the "war fever?"
When was war ever mentioned before Bush?
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"Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."

Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
September 13, 2001

I always wonder why conservatives in here are always saying Clinton is extreme leftist?
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When was war ever mentioned before Bush?
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"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."

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February 17, 1998
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Talking about keeping on top of Saddam is a far cry from actually launching a preemptive attack against him.
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Note the mentions of the United Nations, again.
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This is why I said read before you post, I'll say it again:

When was W-A-R ever mentioned before Bush?
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Talking about keeping on top of Saddam is a far cry from actually launching a preemptive attack against him.
Well, it seems some Dems certainly think that preemptively disarming Sadam was a pretty important thing to do:


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"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed."

Senator Edward Kennedy (Democrat, Massachusetts)
Speech at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies
September 27, 2002


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"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
Addressing the US Senate
October 10, 2002
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"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein. And when the president made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him."

Senator John Kerry (Democrat, Massachusetts)
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May 3, 2003
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This is why I said read before you post, I'll say it again:

When was W-A-R ever mentioned before Bush?
I think we all understand that 9/11 was part of the justification for the war (we can longer stand by and wait to be attacked).

It is clear from these quotes that it didn't matter who was president, we were going to war with Iraq.
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This is why I said read before you post, I'll say it again:

When was W-A-R ever mentioned before Bush?
This comes close:

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Regime change in Iraq has been official US policy since 1998:

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (sponsored by Bob Kerrey, John McCain, and Joseph Lieberman, and signed into law by President Clinton) states:

"It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
105th Congress, 2nd Session
September 29, 1998
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I think we all understand that 9/11 was part of the justification for the war (we can longer stand by and wait to be attacked).
The two have NOTHING to do with each other!!! So no we don't all understand that, the misinformed "understand" that.

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It is clear from these quotes that it didn't matter who was president, we were going to war with Iraq.
No, it's not clear. Your hawk attitude makes that clear to you, but not everyone else.
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This comes close:

Here's a phrase that may fit into your language. 'Close' only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
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No, it's not clear. Your hawk attitude makes that clear to you, but not everyone else.
Are you saying that these people I have quoted were against the war in 2002/3? That President Clinton, Pelosi, and the others were purposely lying to us in 1998 about Iraq and the threat of WMD?

I may have been a hawk - but I was no more a hawk than these Democrats.
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