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Old 04-10-2007, 02:56 PM   #121
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I believe so, yes -- these are generally fact-sensitive inquiries, as I understand it. I'm an intellectual property lawyer, so I haven't studied this much and am a little bit far afield, though.


and what facts do we expect to be presented in an aside comment on a comedy/news radio show?

in the context of an interview, did Imus say these girls were sluts/hos? or, in the context of what was meant to be humors banter, did Imus mischaracterize a group of people in a racist manner in the same way that, say, the French get characterized on all of right wing radio ("cheese eating surrender monkeys")?

can France sue Bill O'Reilly for slander? should we hold a news conference and have the people of France talk about how deeply hurt they are when Americans make fun of them?
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can France sue Bill O'Reilly for slander? should we hold a news conference and have the people of France talk about how deeply hurt they are when Americans make fun of them?
There's a little difference between 10 people and a nation.
These are people that will have to endure the spotlight and eventually get non-basketball jobs most likely.

I brought up the slander because they could file a case, and have chosen not to. I think that shows a lot of class on their part. I think there's a double standard in that Imus gets the podium all he wants, but as soon as the team goes public it becomes a circus.
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can France sue Bill O'Reilly for slander? should we hold a news conference and have the people of France talk about how deeply hurt they are when Americans make fun of them?
Why? It's far easier to make fun of the USA

I'm sure the players were hurt by the comments, but I also think what hurts more is when the media brings it up every day, over and over and over, and people like Al Sharpton try to get some publicity out of it.

I don't think we shoud judge the players for the press conference, or for what they did there as they are not media professionals. But I agree that it would be wrong to say they had to do this.

What I kind of observe here is that, like with other cases, people condemn people for making stupid remarks, but don't take an apology anymore. Sure, he did it in some special way, and sure, it wasn't his first time. But he did apologize, and he now wants to meet with these girls.
The public should monitor public speech, and call out when something crosses the line. But they also should forgive. Like the saying, forgive, not forgotten. Today it seems rather to be "Forgiving? Never!"

Like Marc Gellman said, Imus is going into repentance, hopfully, and it doesn't help either side if people go on and on to show with the finger at him and don't stop with judging his remarks.

The media is blowing things out pof proportion today, and the people are happily participating. But it helps no one. And it's making things rather worse than easier for the "victims".
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I think there's a double standard in that Imus gets the podium all he wants, but as soon as the team goes public it becomes a circus.


isn't it Imus who has the explaining to do, not these women?
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isn't it Imus who has the explaining to do, not these women?
Exactly, why is this so hard to understand?
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''Al Sharpton is a bigger racist than Imus.''


People should watch the sharptom imus interview

When Imus said "I am not a Racist, I am a good person"

Sharpton said, "You are not a racist you are a good person that made a racist remark"
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Exactly, why is this so hard to understand?
Imus did a lot more than "explain". He did an entire PR whitewash.
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[q]"I would like to speak to him personally and ... ask him, after you've met me personally, do you still feel in this category that I'm still a 'ho' as a woman and as a black, African-American woman at that?" said Kia Vaughn, a sophomore center.

"I achieve a lot, and unless they have given this name of 'ho' a new definition, then that is not what I am."[/q]
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the explanation

that "jigaboos"

makes him think of "Spike Lee"


I am sure he never heard that term or used it until a certain spike lee film
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If I said Madonna reminded me of a trans-gender hooker.


Would it be revealing more about me and things I may have participated in,
than Madonna's actual appearance?
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Imus did a lot more than "explain". He did an entire PR whitewash.
Interesting use of words.

Ok, but you're missing the point. What do these women have to explain about? NOTHING!
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Ok, but you're missing the point. What do these women have to explain about? NOTHING!
They didn't HAVE to explain anything, I agree.
They chose to state things like:

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"These young ladies before you are valedictorians, future doctors, musical prodigies, and yes, even Girl Scouts," said Stringer. "These young ladies are the best this nation has to offer and we are so very fortunate to have them here at Rutgers University."

One of her players, sophomore forward Heather Zurich, said her pride at going so far in the tournament was undercut by the radio host's on-air insults.

"We were stripped of this moment by a degrading comment by Mr. Imus," she said.

She added that she believed she and her teammates "present ourselves well both on and off the court, though Mr. Imus doesn't agree. Then again, he knows not one of us."

Junior forward Essence Carson, who said she felt "great hurt, anger and disgust" over the remarks, explained that she wanted to meet with Imus to understand why he said what he said.
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They didn't HAVE to explain anything, I agree.
They chose to state things like:

Yes, but earlier you said they 'need' to:

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They need to show people their faces and personalities in order to dispel Imus' characterization.
That's the only part I have issue with...
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That's the only part I have issue with...
Some people may have assumed they were more hard-core,
that their appearance "kind of" invited the remark.
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Yes, but earlier you said they 'need' to:
"HAVE to explain" versus "need to show people their faces and personalities " - a little different. Anyway, I still agree with it and others still disagree.
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