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Old 04-11-2007, 11:57 PM   #256
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i don't think it was the press conference, per se, that was infantalizing, it was the whole, "but i'm not a ho" as well as comments in here that assumed these women were all personally devastated by the remarks, that their accomplishments had been tainted forever, that their season was all for nothing, and all because of this one mean man.

my, what power we've given to this man, he destroyes basketball teams.
If it's overestimating racist, sexist, homophobic etc. speech to argue that it can contribute to a discriminatory climate, then there wouldn't be much point in reacting to it at all. I don't think it's innately sanctimonious or infantilizing to count psychological harm among those contributions--I fully agree that can be overexploited, and I think it's fair to say that's happened here in the big picture, but I guess I do find it more understandable than you do for an emotionally charged response to be provoked by you're-not-worthy-of-being-here-'cause-you-can't-'pass' (categorically out of the question for the group involved) insinuations, however idle. It isn't uncommon for them to happen, and isn't uncommon for them to cause people to feel cowed and to back away from the environment they take place in, whether the specific slurs those insinuations were conveyed through seem 'true' or not. It can't always be framed as just taking the piss out of someone, and responding to it as if that were the case doesn't always work. It's more a question of repeated encounters with insinuations of that type over the course of a lifetime leading to an internalized anxiety about being worthy of belonging, and thus vulnerability to feeling 'exposed' by them, than a matter of the specific words used. Just a sad reality, not a question of playing some guilt-trip card. Is this as harmful or unjust as specific forms of structural discrimination being protected by law--no, obviously not.

I suppose you're making an argument of degree rather than kind, which I thought was also the type of argument I was making, but you're coming across so witheringly sarcastic here it's difficult for me to determine where you're drawing that line or who you're implicitly pinning your scorn for falling on the wrong side of it on (not that I want you to spell that out). I don't know that anyone is happy about the "media circus" scope of this whole thing, and for sure no one sees it as more important than Iraq or Darfur or Guantanamo (though those have been talked to death also, at least in terms of articulating stances). I don't think Imus should've been fired, I don't even think he should've been suspended, I don't think it was worth an entire week of nonstop headlines. But I do find the players' response understandable.

Good point on the Edwards comment.
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Old 04-12-2007, 12:00 AM   #257
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In fact Limbaugh used the term "hos" in describing the Duke case accusers, but it was not widely publicized.
a stripper that falsely accuses several young men of rape,


and valedictorian high achieving college athletes

as a comparison

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a stripper that falsely accuses several young men of rape,


and valedictorian high achieving college athletes

as a comparison

He did that a year ago, and she was also a college student.
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He did that a year ago, and she was also a college student.
ok, that makes a better comparison
looking on line
it said she had a 3.0 GPA, too


I think it was wrong for Limbaugh to call ho

but there are many that would have less sympathy just because of the way she became well known vs. the Rutger girls.
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^Probably not the best comparison admittedly, but the main point was that talk radio seems to have more latitude for what can be said than TV.
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I tend to agree
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by the way
I was looking at some of your photos you posted
are you related to that "big assed hooker"?

WTF is that all about!!!
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Today I am thinking about how I would feel if it were my daughter were on that team. I am really pissed he did this.
I think that really is the only way to consider this.

A lot of people are saying it is no big deal.

That it is a free speech thing.
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Somebody very close to me was saying that this was getting blown way out of proportion.

So I asked him to imagine that in 5-6 years his two daughters were in college and doing well.

Also to imagine they had just missed a national championship by one game,
and when he turned on the radio the next day
he heard someone calling them "big-titted whores".

The phone went silent.

He said, "I get it, now."
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WTF is that all about!!!
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I think we have talked Imus to death,
perhaps it is just a free speech thing.

by the way
I was looking at some of your photos you posted
are you related to that "big assed hooker"?
hello Justin,
my friend


It seems my silly post got your attention.

How upset would you be if I had said that a picture of (insert one of your family members here)
looked like a "fat ass whore".

I think you would have a right to be upset, and I would deserve to be punished for insulting a member of your family for no reason.

And if I had a history of doing this again and again I should lose my right to use this message board.


Of course I think you and all members of your family are very good people, and attractive, too.

I also think your photographs are great. I have told you this before.

I just thought you might understand better if I gave you an example that was closer to home.

I hope there are no hard feelings.
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Imus was a fool to go on sharptons radio show and apologize.I don't see any body apologizing for things said by black rappers or comedians.
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Imus was a fool to go on sharptons radio show and apologize.I don't see any body apologizing for things said by black rappers or comedians.
Imus did the right thing. I think it was brave and true to his character. He said it, took responsibility for it.
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Imus was a fool to go on sharptons radio show and apologize.I don't see any body apologizing for things said by black rappers or comedians.
And which black rapper or comedian has a nationally televised or syndicated radio show, where they make similar remarks? Sharpton has spoken out against language used by rappers in the past - google for it.
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Imus was a fool to go on sharptons radio show and apologize.I don't see any body apologizing for things said by black rappers or comedians.
White men are really having a hard time with this part of this incident.
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deep, I'm glad you're using the actual word "whore." By using "ho" too many times, the impact of what that idiot Imus said (and meant) is too easily diminished.
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