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Old 08-10-2006, 02:45 PM   #31
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Yeah, you are right. There will be a lot of Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. in heaven ... all of the ones that accepted Jesus as the only way to salvation.

How can you say that there is nothing that is absolute? What does 2 + 2 equal? That is absolute.

No other teaching on earth provides man with a path to God ... you can believe whatever you want. No other teaching provides a way for sinful man, to reach sinless God.

The whole planet does need God. The Bible is perfect ... no one has ever found anything wrong or false written in it.
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First off, if you believe God and what He says in the Bible, then you would believe that He is a just and fair God. He would never condemn anyone who shouldn't be condemned, and He wouldn't save anyone who shouldn't be saved. He is just.
God reveals Himself to everyone who truly wants to find Him. We do have free will. Those 144,000 are people that actually choose to follow God. They have lived lives that glorify Him ... because they choose to.

Nice avoidance of the questions. I'm asking what is the point if it's already known what I'm going to choose? Where is this free will?

And you say God reveals himself to everyone who truly wants to find him, but what if you grow up somewhere where you've never heard of God? What if you grow up where God goes by a different name than yours?
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First off, if you believe God and what He says in the Bible, then you would believe that He is a just and fair God. He would never condemn anyone who shouldn't be condemned, and He wouldn't save anyone who shouldn't be saved. He is just.
God reveals Himself to everyone who truly wants to find Him. We do have free will. Those 144,000 are people that actually choose to follow God. They have lived lives that glorify Him ... because they choose to.

The Bible includes many accounts of people that sought God, and He revealed Himself to them. Acts 8:26-38
But I don't believe in your God and your bible so to me you simply appear arrogant in your absolute confidence in your own moral pre-eminence.
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What does 2 + 2 equal?
3 + 1?
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Well then, find something written within that is proven false or wrong.
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Remind me please, what does the bible say about the common hare? It's ruminant, yes?
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Do you know how ridiculous this sounds?

If it was perfect there would be no room for interpretation, we wouldn't be having these discussions because it would all be an easy black and white issue such as I have 10 fingers.
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Well then, find something written within that is proven false or wrong.
Carbon dating alone makes it completely historically inaccurate whereas timelines are concerned.

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Just because what someone will choose is already known ... it doesn't mean that it is chosen for them. I may know that my brother will wake up tomorrow morning at 8:00 ... but that doesn't mean that I am making his choice to get up. Its two different things to know the future and to choose the future.

God will reveal Himself to those who seek Him ... no matter where they live or who they are.


Thats fine if you don't believe in God ... that is your choice. It isn't about what your opinion of me is ... its only your opinion of God that matters Silja.
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What's a hare? A rabbit?
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That is a fact based on scripture.
Hold it. Matters of faith are "facts"? Real facts are few and far between. You can't argue with a few things, like gravity, but as a practicing Catholic I wouldn't call something from faith a "fact". You have to be able to prove a fact, and you can't prove anything from a faith tradition is a fact. It's something you believe, not something you can prove with an experiment.
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What's a hare? A rabbit?
Different race but essentially a bigger rabbit with longer legs and longer ears. I'm awaiting your answer with baited breath.
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The Bible is perfect ... no one has ever found anything wrong or false written in it.


wow, care to back this up?

i will grant you, though, that the Bible isn't wrong about, say, homosexuality, but people who use the Bible to justify their own prejudices and bigotry towards homosexuals are certainly very wrong.
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