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Old 12-03-2006, 08:42 PM   #91
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My whole class is gonna find this out tomorrow when they get a test back.


I was always pretty good at grammar, but like Yolland said upthread it was more intuitive from reading so much. Latin lessons helped formalize the rules for me though, making German easier. I guess some years later I'm actually discovering a use for that damned waste of time beyond SAT vocab words. Everyone at my high school had to get good at grammar pretty fast, because it wasn't just part of our English grade but also part of our Latin grade.
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I had to shamefacedly admit at that point that I didn't really understand any of that dangling participle stuff and so forth either; it was just that because I read so much, I somehow had an intuitive feel for what "sounded" right, even though I was at a loss to articulate what rules I was applying. Personally, I've found the same thing to be true with pretty much every foreign language I've studied--I'm often bewildered by the technical explanations of various grammar points when I read them, but once I get a look at sentences which apply them, it all just makes sense and I understand what to do, even though I couldn't really tell you why.
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Lol. I was explaining use of comma, semi-colon and period to somebody I was tutoring. Basically, I told them forget the rules. Short pause--comma, slightly longer pause-- semi-colon, longer pause-- period. We just broke down the rhythm of the sentence.
She learned more by rhythm than rule.
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My students this year are all native English speakers, so I tell them to trust their ears for most of it.
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Oh, so English is Germanic Oops. It doesn't matter, I suck at both. Oh and about the Canterbury Tales, I had to memorize the intro!!!! I'm gonna kill the spelling, but:

Whan that abril with his shores soote
The draught of march had pearced tru the roote

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Lies, you're spot on with the dialects! I had a catalan professor, and one who had studied in argentina...I felt like I was learning something different each time. And then of course, conversations with my relatives were even more different.

Yolland - I don't think I stayed with the language long enough to completely understand the grammar, I only took it for a year (and spent years of my life watching anime & listening to j-pop). But I could write & pronounce it naturally!
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I'm offended again. I like Chaucer.
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I'm offended that you like Chaucer
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I'm offended that you like Chaucer


Chaucer was a bitch to read but really very funny when my very young English teacher explained what he was saying in 11th grade.
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Not even The Miller's Tale?
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Derk was the night as pich, or as the cole,
And at the window out she putte hir hole,
And Absolon, him fil no bet ne wers,
But with his mouth he kiste hir naked ers
Ful savourly, er he was war of this
Abak he sterte, and thoghte it was amis,
For wel he wiste a womman hath no berd;
He felte a thing al rough and long y-herd,
And seyde, ‘fy! allas! what have I do?’
‘Tehee!’ quod she, and clapte the window to;
And Absolon goth forth a sory pas.
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This Nicholas was risen for to pisse,
And thoghte he wolde amenden al the Iape,
He sholde kisse his ers er that he scape.
And up the windowe dide he hastily,
And out his ers he putteth prively
Over the buttok, to the haunche-bon;
And ther-with spak this clerk, this Absolon,
‘Spek, swete brid, I noot nat wher thou art.’
This Nicholas anon leet flee a fart,
As greet as it had been a thonder-dent,
That with the strook he was almost y-blent;
And he was redy with his iren hoot,
And Nicholas amidde the ers he smoot.
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oh and I'm offended that martha keeps trying to keep this thread semi-on-topic.
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^ yeah martha!! Oh, and I think we scared Zoo away
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Not even The Miller's Tale?
To be fair, I never read The Miller's Tale. Canterbury was enough to scare me away.
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oh and I'm offended that martha keeps trying to keep this thread semi-on-topic.


Woo-hoo!
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Woo-hoo!
speaking of which, hyphens are a pain too!!! i was trying to explain them to a friend of mine, and i confused myself.
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Mia, hon, English is a Germanic language, not romance. But yeah, I hear ya, I do NOT have an ear for Spanish and haven't taken it since third grade . German was fine for me since I'm Dutch and grew up with Dutch, which is basically German one step closer to English (and our area's particular Dutch dialects, which are even closer to English). I really wish I'd had room in my college schedule to take more German. Damn liberal arts college! My German teacher before college taught us German as it is spoken in Hamburg, and I've always been interested in taking classes from profs that speak other dialects. I try to listen to as much German music as possible, to keep myself tuned.
Ah, the Hamburger Schnack

It's a nice way of speaking German, and really funny to listen to.
I also like the way the old Berliners speak.

English is a real mixture with the influences of Latin, the old French language and the Anglo-Saxonian language.
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