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Old 09-27-2004, 03:41 AM   #46
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but she also works at a school and has seen how wrong Bush's education plan is. Cutting money to fund breakfast programs for poor kids, No Child Left Behind leaving children behind, etc.
Children were being left behind before.
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Nice Blame. I really haven't from someone who is being directly influenced by this "back-door draft". Well spoken and good luck to your wife.
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Old 09-27-2004, 10:55 AM   #49
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I just recieved an e-mail, mostly conservative junk (such as Clinton commiting felonies while in office) but it illustrates a double standards when discussing war and business by many.
This is very interesting quote:
I'm trying to get all this political stuff straightened out in my head so I'll know how to vote come November. Right now, we have one guy saying one thing. Then the other guy says something else. Who to believe. Lemme see; have I got this straight?
Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good... Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...
Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good... Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...
Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good... Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad... Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists -good... Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...
Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good.... Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad....
Clinton commits felonies while in office - good... Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad... Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good... Recession under Bush - bad...
Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good... World Trade Centers fall under Bush - Bad...
Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good... Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...
Clinton says mass graves in Serbia - good... Entire world says WMD in Iraq - bad...
No mass graves found in Serbia - good... No WMD found Iraq - bad...
Milosevic not yet convicted - good... Saddam in custody - bad..




A_Wanderer, thanks for sharing that, I'm wondering how much is accurate.

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Old 09-27-2004, 11:08 AM   #50
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"Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good... Bush "

no also bad - why do you think that everyone who is critical of Mr. Bush praised the same f***ing things just because it was done by someone else?

"Clinton commits felonies while in office - good... Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad... Stock"

ANYONE thought that Mr. Clintons behaviour was good? *grr* i'm really upset sometimes about partisan-politics you allways try to justify the bad behaviour of someone you like by pointing out that some other candidate isn't perfect too, no matter if you have to compare apples with peaches.

But if you want to play that game:
Bush fights terrorists in afghanistan - good
Bush supports anti-iranian terrorists in Iraq - also good?
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Old 09-27-2004, 11:34 AM   #51
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I just recieved an e-mail, mostly conservative junk (such as Clinton commiting felonies while in office) but it illustrates a double standards when discussing war and business by many.
I received one like that too, this one listing all the Democrat presidents who launched "pre-emptive" wars.

Attacking Germany in WWII was actually on the list. I wish these chain authors would at least open a history book.

I sent a rebuttal back, with suggestions as to how they can better employ their time.
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This is another good reason not to vote for Bush:

http://journals.aol.com/candles102/S...al/entries/527
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Does this tell me more about Bush, or Hiphop???
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nb, please I´m not 22 no more
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You're right, she is married now. (Though that could change at any moment).
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[B]Just to let you know: Abortion is kind of a non-issue anyway. Kerry is pro-choice, and though Bush plays to the conservatives on that one, he did nothing in his 4 years as president to change the abortion laws. If you are against abortion, you are out of luck in that area, but you can at least respect that Kerry hasn't said one thing and done another.

Uhh....ever hear of the partial birth abortion ban? (that Bush signed and Kerry opposed)
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I'm an evangelical, born-again Christian-a sinner redeemed by Christ's blood-whose vote is constantly courted by the Conservative Right...and I'm a staunch Kerry/Edwards supporter for a variety of reasons.

Why am I voting for Kerry...and why should you consider doing so? Well, many of the reasons given in this thread have to do with it...so I don't want to rehash those...but perhaps consider some of the following thoughts:

A. My wife and I tried for 8 years to have a child...God blessed us with our first in Sept. of last year. Our personal belief's led us to desire breast feeding for the first 12 months for the child's health and well-being. My wife was an officer in the Army National Guard...had served faithfully for the last 13 years...never been deployed...was almost out when...Pres Bush sells the American public Iraq has WMD etc...wife is told she is going to Iraq for 18 months when our baby is only 4 months old...Army makes her stop breastfeeding our child for her deployment...I repeat...the child is only 4 months old and his mother is getting deployed to a combat zone for 18 months! Yet, Pres Bush has the nerve to tell us he's "pro family" and "compassionate"...yet nothing is pro family about a policy that takes mother's away from their breast feeding infant children...he had 3 years to change the policy...he didn't even respond to our letters...his administration conveniently uses the National Guard as a back door draft..Iraq never was and is not a threat to the U.S....enough said on that topic.

B. Economic policy. The Republican Party has been hijacked by an extreme band of neo-cons. Take taxes. When Bush talks about "tax reform" or "...cutting taxes to put more money in hard working people's pockets" or "...simplifying the tax code" it is all code word for sticking it to the average joe...who happens to be lower to middle income America. Let me be the first to say that God has blessed my family business with financial rewards and that my family is one of those who disproportionately benefit from the Bush tax cuts as a result. I don't need the tax cuts. I'd rather the money be used to extend unemployment benefits, increase the minimum wage, reduce health care costs or better yet reduce the deficit. But that isn't the Bush way... Take his desire for a "national sales tax" to replace our current tax code. Couldn't be a more reckless idea. First, non-partisan's have already calculated that a national sales tax would have to be as high as 40 percent or more to be revenue neutral. Of course, Bush says that number is high, it would only need to be around 23 percent. Either way, a national sales tax greatly benefits the wealthy. Those taxpayers in the lower to middle income brackets CONSUME their earnings, meaning they would be constantly getting whacked with a 40 percent sales tax on all purchases...while the wealthier taxpayers can SAVE their money...effectively avoiding such a tax. Meanwhile, the Bush tax cuts defy logic. His party is renowned for also wanting a "flat tax"...and these tax cuts have "flattened" the rates tremendously since he took office. Again, a flat tax benetits the wealthy, this is why study after study shows that wealthier Americans (like me) get most of the benefit...it's absurd. There is a reason why Bush and the Republican's aren't concerned with record budget deficits...because their game plan in a second term is to lament the very deficits they have created with fool hearty tax and economic policies by cutting SPENDING...in other words... "...ladies and gentleman, our deficit is huge. As a result, we MUST CUT SPENDING". Exactly WHAT THE REPUBLICANS WANT! They are certainly sly at accomplishing their goals at the expense of the rank and file American worker. Hardly a Christian thing to do...another reason I can't support this man or his party.

C. I despise Bush's lies, arrogance, and pompous attitude toward other countries and other Americans who don't agree with him. Every day on the campaign trail he grossly misleads and distorts Kerry's record. I know, all politicians are guilty of this one, but the Bush/Cheney team takes the cake. As a man who so publicly presents himself as a Christian, his actions and words on the campaign trail are extremely disappointing to say the least.

D. Health Care. Bush doesn't care about the average American...and he certainly doesn't care about their plight regarding health care. John Edwards is right when he says there are "Two America's...one for the rich and one for everyone else". Bush cares about the rich. His approach to health care is more evidence to this. He wants us all to have our "health saving accounts" and for employers to receive tax credits for offering health reimbursement arrangements" etc. Again, these policies sound great in the election year spin, but they only advance the "rich" American agenda Bush/Cheney want to help. Health Savings Accounts are so tilted toward favoring the rich they might as well call them "Bonus Retirment Accounts for the Well-to-do". Don't know any "ordinary" American's who could ever utilize or benefit from one of these accounts...and they certainly do nothing to address the growing health care crisis in this country...but they certainly help the wealthy, no doubt about that. Remember, HSA's are geared toward replacing Archer MSA's...you remember those, right? Yeah, they were supposed to "revolutionize" health care insurance and health care costs...yet they failed miserably because the only people who could afford them were the 2 percent of wage earners in America who could afford them...HSA's are no better.

D. I guess it's ok to let assault weapons back on the street. I mean, at least Bush thinks so. Once again, Bush bows down to the gun lobby, who have been so effective at making gun owners and sportmen everywhere think that all Democrats want to take their 22 caliber away so they can't hunt Bambi. Just ridiculous. I don't know of a true "sportsman" who needs an uzi to hunt Bambi effectively...but there are plenty of criminals smiling today now that Pres Bush and the Republicans have let assault weapons back on our streets. Good work, boys...another reason I can't support this President.

Look, I don't support every position of Kerry...I'm not in favor of gay marriage or civil unions....though I believe every citizen is entitled to equal and civil rights. Morally, abortion is a tough one as I'm personally and religiously opposed to it. But these are "wedge" issues...and I try not to let my reiligious beliefs unduly influence my political beliefs. Bush's vision for America is clear...and it scares me as the "wrong" choices for America. Both men are going to do all they can to protect us...don't buy the Republican "fear" mongoring that under Kerry another attack will occur....didn't a certain event 3 years ago occur on Bush's watch?

Fact is, your decision should come down to who you think will best restore jobs in America, who best will provide us with affordable, accessible health care, who best will restore America's integrity and image throughout the world, who best will educate our children, who best will look out for the average American...who will tell us the truth, who won't lead us into an unnecessary and costly war, and who won't use are Armed Forces for personal political gain and our National Guard and Reservists won't be pawns in a "back-door" draft that takes them away from their jobs and family for 18 months at a time. Bush's policies are anything but "compassionate" or "conservative". They are reckless, arrogant, and self-serving. If you think taking money out of the hands of honest, hard working middle class American's is compassionate, then by all means Bush is your man. Otherwise, the choice is clear...ANYBODY BUT BUSH!

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You must read the Democratic talking points. So many half truths and conspiracy theories... The "Back door draft." Well, I served a year in Iraq in the National Guard. Know what? NOBODY FORCED ME TO JOIN THE MILITARY; just like your wife joined through her own free will. When you sign up, they tell you that there is a possibility you might *gasp* actually have to serve your country if called on. That's what the National Guard and Reserves are there for. So many people think it's just a way to pay for college and make a little money on the weekend. I do think the military should let your wife sit out the first 4-6 months while the baby is still so young, but if she signed up, she needs to be willing to go.
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afik "Like someone to blame" was only tired of the hypocrisy that the government his wife works for (National Guard) claims that it is "Pro Family" and at the same time separates a 4 months old Baby from his mother for 18 months.

Many people sign up for the national guard because they are willing to defend the United States in the case that a foreign country attacks the US. We both know that Iraq didn't do that.

So please don't suggest that his wife just signed for her job to rip some money out of the government.
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You must read the Democratic talking points. So many half truths and conspiracy theories... The "Back door draft." Well, I served a year in Iraq in the National Guard. Know what? NOBODY FORCED ME TO JOIN THE MILITARY; just like your wife joined through her own free will. When you sign up, they tell you that there is a possibility you might *gasp* actually have to serve your country if called on.
OMG...thank you for coming here and say what I have said numerous time.

Amazing, no one FORCED ME TO JOIN either. Guess what, I knew there would be a day I might have to actually "GASP" follow through on my obligations.
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afik "Like someone to blame" was only tired of the hypocrisy that the government his wife works for (National Guard) claims that it is "Pro Family" and at the same time separates a 4 months old Baby from his mother for 18 months.

Many people sign up for the national guard because they are willing to defend the United States in the case that a foreign country attacks the US. We both know that Iraq didn't do that.

So please don't suggest that his wife just signed for her job to rip some money out of the government.
Sorry, but anyone at any job is not given 4 months maternity time.

And the issue you speak of is not republican or democrat. Its the way it is.

Or are you against women serving?
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