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Old 10-07-2007, 01:51 AM   #226
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Probably the most effective solution would be to cut off the motivation for coming here illegally. . .in other words cracking down on the businesses that hire illegal immigrants. This is one thing, I think left and right can agree on.


The problem is. . .this will almost certainly never happen. Too many powerful people (people who frankly may despise the very illegals who they make money off of) have too much to lose to allow that to happen.

But, I think it would be the most effective solution and one I think Americans should be lobbying for (even if our produce is more expensive as a result). It's what should happen and would be for more practical and far more effective than a fence.
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Old 10-07-2007, 02:05 AM   #227
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The problem is. . .this will almost certainly never happen. Too many powerful people (people who frankly may despise the very illegals who they make money off of) have too much to lose to allow that to happen.

But, I think it would be the most effective solution and one I think Americans should be lobbying for (even if our produce is more expensive as a result). It's what should happen and would be for more practical and far more effective than a fence.
Exactly, a fence won't do shit... people will find a way to come here. What AEON never addressed is that not everyone here is from Mexico.

A fence is useless, and actually probably more destructive than productive.

Take steps that make risking your life to come over here obsolete...

Why is it that conservatives are only interested in long term goals when it comes to wars?
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Old 10-07-2007, 08:52 AM   #228
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Illegal immigration laws are in effect. They are not enforced. There is insufficient political will to enforce them and insufficient manpower to do so. The Republicans talk a good game to get votes, but they have no real interest in it beyond an election tool.

Actually, in a lot of ways, I liked the President's ideas on the topic.
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Old 10-07-2007, 10:47 AM   #229
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Here's an interesting addition to the debate

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...la-home-center

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The effort, urgently underway at the departments of Homeland Security, State and Labor, is meant to rescue farm owners caught in a vise between a complex process to hire legal guest workers and stepped-up enforcement that has reduced the number of illegal planters, pickers and middle managers crossing the border.
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"It is important for the farm sector to have access to labor to stay competitive," said White House spokesman Scott Stanzel. "As the southern border has tightened, some producers have a more difficult time finding a workforce, and that is a factor of what is going on today."
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Hi Martha

I don't think many will take the time to read the link

I was going to post the whole article


people just seem to want information that fits with what they would like to see done

here is another piece of the article

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The current program, managed by all three agencies, is famously dysfunctional.

Farmers have to apply for workers about a month in advance, but the agencies often fail to coordinate their response in time for the harvest, which farmers can't always predict. At Hallstrom's farm, where tidy rows of tomato plants run almost to the ocean's edge, half of the 1,000 workers are in the H-2A program. (Nationally, about 60,000 H-2A applications a year are usually filed, compared with more than 3 million farm jobs to be filled. There is no cap on the number of H-2A workers allowed into the U.S.)

She remembers submitting an emergency request for H-2A workers one year and getting the visas 60 days later. She said the laborers spent two weeks pulling rotten fruit off the vines, and the farm lost $2.5 million. "Devastating," Hallstrom said.

Growers also complain about paying for workers' housing, transportation, visas and other fees. Harry Yates, a North Carolina Christmas-tree grower, estimates that his labor costs for H-2A workers are $14 an hour, compared with a competitor whose illegal laborers cost about $7.50 an hour. Like other farmers, Yates said using the H-2A program was an invitation to lawsuits from worker advocates and frequent government investigations.

"I understand why so many growers are afraid to use this program. It is too expensive, too complicated, too slow and too likely to land you in court," Yates said.
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