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Old 10-04-2007, 08:47 PM   #151
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You are taking the opposite side of his argument, correct?
Not exactly.



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And Bonovox, if you were right that illegals provide a net economic benefit, it must impact your position on illegal immigration in general. Are you against it, or willing to look the other way based on your own economic argument???
I think you are missing my point. I don't believe in just kicking them out and building a fence. I also don't believe in how they are being treated like endentured servants. I would like to see the immigration process made affordable and easy enough to make these people legal.

My whole economic point, is that if you kick them out tomorrow, be prepared. That's all, and for those who bitch about paying for them, just look a little deeper.
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Interesting story from CNN in 2006. I thought since CNN is cited so often in here, that it would have a chance of being taken seriously.

(psst...BVS - they say 20 million...in case you thought I was making it up)

CNN Story on the Cost of Illegal Immigration
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If you offered a one way free plane ticket to any man, woman, or child in the world to America - with the additional promise of government sponsored healthcare and education - I would imagine the number of immigrants would be in the billions (I'm guessing 2 to 5 billion).
See, you don't address the post, you just take it to a ridiculous level to avoid an answer.
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, then all your cooks and bus boys have to get paid minimum wage ..
Again - this confuses me. It seems like you are advocating paying workers at pennies on the dollar in order to keep the cost of goods down.

I never would've pegged you as a cut-throat capitalist...
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If you offered a one way free plane ticket to any man, woman, or child in the world to America - with the additional promise of government sponsored healthcare and education - I would imagine the number of immigrants would be in the billions (I'm guessing 2 to 5 billion).
well if this is the logic behind your thinking

I think Melon was on track with the "know nothing" post.
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7 or 8 years ago - yes, I'd agree, but not any more.

Not in a week where the dollar is plummetting and where the US property market has been revealed to be in an even worse condition than even the more pessimistic observers thought (in some areas, at least. The US property market is so huge that some areas will always be doing ok at any given moment in time).

http://www.treasure-coast.us/weeklyupdate09-23-07


Not that I take any satisfaction from this. I actually think it's appalling.

I think it's appalling what Bushco has done to the US economy.

One other point I'd make is that just about the only thing that can save the dollar, and the US property market, is letting in much more immigrants - particularly in southern states like Florida that have been so badly hit by the come-down from the property bubble. So it's kind of ironic to see Aeon, as a committed advocate of all things American, being so sceptical regarding the benefits (at least economic) of immigration to the US economy.
The only thing that can save the dollar is defecit reduction. And I agree - this is where the Republicans have failed (and trust me, the Dems are worse before you start barking).

And I still think that people from most of the third world would move here if given a chance (if Mexico and the rest of South America is a taste of what would happen).
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Again - this confuses me. It seems like you are advocating paying workers at pennies on the dollar in order to keep the cost of goods down.

I never would've pegged you as a cut-throat capitalist...
Read my post above.
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the attraction is not the "so called" benefits that they may get

the real attraction is the money the get for the labor they give

in many places in
America they must keep a low profile
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(if Mexico and the rest of South America is a taste of what would happen).
Are you sure you don't mean Central America? Are there that many illegal immigrants from Peru, Chile, Argentina?
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The only thing that can save the dollar is defecit reduction. And I agree - this is where the Republicans have failed (and trust me, the Dems are worse before you start barking).
I'll try not to bark...

But actually, Clinton left the economy in pretty good shape. I'm not particularly a fan of Clinton, but it has to be admitted.
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(and trust me, the Dems are worse before you start barking).


just where were you during the 1990s?
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Public Education K-12 $5.85

Public Higher Education $0.71

ESL and Bilingual Education $1.22

Food Stamps $0.85

AFDC $0.50

Housing $0.61

Social Security $3.61

Earned Income Tax Credit $0.68

Medicaid $3.12

Medicare A and B $0.58




Does anyone know how these numbers were estimated?

How do you estimate the money spent on healthcare on "illegals"?

ESL and Bilingual Education isn't just used for illegal immigrants, also legal, so how are these numbers derived?

Plus there are many legal citizens that don't pay income tax, so how do they differenciate?
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just where were you during the 1990s?
You mean when the Republican controlled House and Senate actually did what they were elected to do?
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You mean when the Republican controlled House and Senate actually did what they were elected to do?


they worked with a democratic president and passed good legislation?
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they worked with a democratic president and passed good legislation?
well, except for that whole government shutdown thing
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