Judah
War Child
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anitram said:And now, from the front page of The Washington Post:
Bush suggested last week that Democrats are promising voters to block additional money for continuing the war. Vice President Cheney this week said critics "claim retreat from Iraq would satisfy the appetite of the terrorists and get them to leave us alone." And Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, citing passivity toward Nazi Germany before World War II, said that "many have still not learned history’s lessons" and "believe that somehow vicious extremists can be appeased."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/30/AR2006083003177.html
najeena said:I've asked this question before... what are the problems with voting by mail?
najeena said:I've asked this question before... what are the problems with voting by mail? Wouldn't this exorcise the specter of the voting machine and make tabulation easier, provided there was plenty of oversight? Educate me, please.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Really?
How much training will the Iraqi army need to take care of an enemy that we can't hardly contain?
This isn't a plan it's a disaster. Poorly planned, prematurely executed fuck up, is what this war is...It's not a plan.
I wish there was a plan. I wish someone would come up with a plan, but honestly this adminstration is shooting down anyone that comes up with something other than stay the shit course, that nothing will ever get done.
Teta040 said:As the saying goes: nobody ever gave a war and nobody came.
Just some brief responses to various points.
1) Bravo for the transcript, Anitram, but try putting that on someplace other than YouTube and anyone under the age of 40 these days (and heck, a good deal else of the American public) would suffer brain overload before the end of the first paragraph: "too many big words and expressions." I applaud too, but today the American attention span is zilch. Like it or not, the GOP has the "sexy sound bite" thing down. Today, I don't think the average TV viewer would have been able to abide Oliver North--"that which I am"? Ridiculous.
2) ALL COMMENTS ABOUT THE POSSIBILTY OF DEMOCRATS WINNING BACK ANYTHING ARE TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE BECAUSE NOBODY IS DOING A DAMNED THING ABOUT BUSH'S TIME-TESTED STRATEGY OF SYSTEMATIC MASS DISENFRANCHISEMENT OF VOTERS. THIS, AND THIS ALONE, IS WHY HE WON HIS ELECTIONS. (350,000 PEOPLE PREVENTED FROM VOTING IN OHIO ALONE, IN 2004. ) IF EVERYONE WHO WANTED TO VOTE HAD VOTED IN 2000 AND 2004, OR IF THE VOTING MACHINES HAD GIVEN A RECIPT, OR IF EVERYONE WHO REGISTERED TO VOTE HAD NOT BEEN PURGED FROM THE ROLLS, OR IF IF THERE HAD BEEN ENOUGH POLLING PLACES IN THE CITIES, BUSH WOULD NOT BE IN POWER. PERIOD.
THE FACT THAT EVEN PEOPLE LIKE IRVINE IN THIS FORUM HAVE FORGOTTEN THIS FACT, THAT THEY STILL SPEAK AS IF WE HAD A DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM OF VOTING IN THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE ARE STILL A DEMOCRACY (EVEN BY BUSH'S SCANTY DEFENITION OF A DEMOCRACY) WHERE WE STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE, SHOWS HOW SUCCESSFULLY BRAINWASHED WE HAVE BECOME. EVEN HISTORIANS ROUTINELY USE TERMS LIKE "RE-LECTED" ....
I LURK IN THESE FORUMS FOR WEEKS AND WHY IS IT THAT I AM STILL THE ONLY ONE ***SCREAMING**** (AND YES, I AM 'SCREAMING' ) ABOUT THIS FACT????? THAT WE NO LONGER HAVE A FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY? PEOPLE IN MEXICO AREN"T TAKING IT LYING DOWN--THEY"RE CAMPING IN THE STREETS! MAYBE FOX REALLY DID WIN HONESTLY BUT EVERYTHING ABOUT THE MEXICAN ELECTION LOOKS STRANGELY FAMILAR.....
(Go ahead and flame me for "shouting"--I dare you )
3) as regards "Hitler"....politicians in the Knesset routinely cal one another a Hitler. You can't say the Jews don't have guts..the worst thing an Isreali can say is to call a fellow Jew Hitler....lol
Maoilbheannacht said:
The enemy has been contained enough that they have been unable to prevent the progress that has been made in the country over the past two years. In addition, a fully built Iraqi military will likely be many times more effective in this sort of a situation since they all speak the language and know the the customs and traditions to a degree that is hard even for the experienced foreigner to have.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Wow, not even Bush or Sting2 has the optimism to say that...
Maoilbheannacht said:
Well, General Casey has mentioned some of these factors before. Plus, I don't think the descriptions above are rosy. Were talking about years of commitment for the process to work.
dietcokeofevil said:GOD! I am sooooo confused morally! Please help me see the light, King George!