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Old 02-25-2003, 12:08 AM   #1
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if the us attacks without un support

what sort of example would this display?

does it essentially make the un useless?
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Old 02-25-2003, 12:59 AM   #2
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Well, I suppose that depends on how you look at it. The UN has had 12 years to make themselves relevant. If Saddam does not disarm, as Blix has ordered him to, then doesn't this take the US off the hook and put the UN on it?
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or you could look at it as a matter of opinion.

the un appears to me, like its only good for the us as long as it plays by their rules.

meanwhile north korea continues to make more and more noise but noone cares.
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15-0 on Resolution 1441.

16 others........

How is this the US Rules?
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Keep in mind I haven't read all this resolution caper etc, but shouldn't the UN be a little more pro active? Its looking bad for the US because they may do this without UN approval, but like you said Dreadsox, 12 years! Why is the onus on the US and why not on the UN???
It does make you wonder what the purpose of the UN really is McGickies McGee, indeed.
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what infuriates me more than anything else on earth, is your failure to call me gickies gageeze instead of mcgee.

i cant help the name i was given, just like you cant help it you were born angela harlem.

what an odd name if there ever was one. :@

its usa rules because im flaggerantly anti-us, remember? no, in all seriousness i need to go to bed.

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Re: if the us attacks without un support

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what sort of example would this display?

does it essentially make the un useless?
It's interesting, isn't it?

You could say the UN should attack Iraq because it's ignored resolutions calling on it to disarm. Therefore you'd say that if it doesn't enforce disarmament then it's allowing its will to be ignored. Of course disarmament doesn't necessarily have to involve war though.

On the other hand, if the security council vote against military action and the US and UK go ahead and attack Iraq anyway, then who's ignoring the will of the UN?
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Well, Bush said US will lead a "coalition" even if the US/British resolution isn't passed, so I guess it's war either way you look at it.

I think it's Bush and Blair that are making UN irrelevant.
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U2 Girl that is indeed another way of looking at it. However, 12 Years, 17 Resolutions later we are in the same spot we were after the war Iraq Started.

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It doesn┤t make the UN useless at all.

There┤s a lot, lot more to the UN than the Sec Council.

Inform yourself at
http://www.un.org/english/
http://www.un.org/aboutun/chart.html
http://www.un.org/aroundworld/map/
http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/index.html
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From what I am to understand, the 1991 conflict isn't even over, so any attack, would be a 'rebirth', or continuation of this one. However, it seems that the 12 years of defiance and noncompliance with resolution are not enough to warrant an attack?... But it is confusing that in addition to the past 12 years of defiance to resolution, to which noncompliance can be punished with military force, Saddam's recent defiance and noncompliance to 1441 STILL isn't enough for

A)The UN to realize that Saddam really doesn't care what they say or what they demand.. Hence, the UN is already useless.

B)Military action is the only way Saddam will listen, it is only after America begun to really threaten with force, and back it up by moving in troops that Saddam even attempted to try and comply with the resolution.


Thanks Dreadsox.. Back to topic...

I think the UN is only useless if they fail to enforce the rules and regulations that they put up there.... And so far.. they have been.

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Bush and Co. have just proposed a new resolution.. I have no reason to believe that it will not be passed, however, regardless of if it is passed or not.. The UN has already given the OK for Military intervention in past resolutions.

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That permission was basically put on hold with resolution 687 (Cease-Fire). I do not want this to deteriorate into another debate on resolutions. If you would like to join in the debate over the resolutuions click below:

http://forum.interference.com/showth...threadid=72549

Or click the link below with the New York Bar Associations letter to the President below.
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Dreadsox,

Thanks for the links in your sig. Very interesting.
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Or click the link below with the New York Bar Associations letter to the President below.
thanks for the link. interesting letter.
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