I would probably have ended up expelled... - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 07-05-2008, 07:25 AM   #1
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 02:40 AM
I would probably have ended up expelled...

For my reaction to such a situation
Quote:
Two schoolboys were given detention after refusing to kneel down and 'pray to Allah' during a religious education lesson.

Parents were outraged that the two boys from year seven (11 to 12-year-olds) were punished for not wanting to take part in the practical demonstration of how Allah is worshipped.

They said forcing their children to take part in the exercise at Alsager High School, near Stoke-on-Trent - which included wearing Muslim headgear - was a breach of their human rights.

One parent, Sharon Luinen, said: "This isn't right, it's taking things too far.

"I understand that they have to learn about other religions. I can live with that but it is taking it a step too far to be punished because they wouldn't join in Muslim prayer.

"Making them pray to Allah, who isn't who they worship, is wrong and what got me is that they were told they were being disrespectful.

"I don't want this to look as if I have a problem with the school because I am generally very happy with it."

Another parent Karen Williams said: "I am absolutely furious my daughter was made to take part in it and I don't find it acceptable.

"I haven't got a problem with them teaching my child other religions and a small amount of information doesn't do any harm.

"But not only did they have to pray, the teacher had gone into the class and made them watch a short film and then said 'we are now going out to pray to Allah'.

"Then two boys got detention and all the other children missed their refreshment break because of the teacher.

"Not only was it forced upon them, my daughter was told off for not doing it right.

"They'd never done it before and they were supposed to do it in another language."

"My child has been forced to pray to Allah in a school lesson." The grandfather of one of the pupils in the class said: "It's absolutely disgusting, there's no other way of putting it.

"My daughter and a lot of other mothers are furious about their children being made to kneel on the floor and pray to Islam. If they didn't do it they were given detention.

"I am not racist, I've been friendly with an Indian for 30 years. I've also been to a Muslim wedding where it was explained to me that alcohol would not be served and I respected that.

"But if Muslims were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war."

Parents said that their children were made to bend down on their knees on prayer mats which the RE teacher had got out of her cupboard and they were also told to wear Islamic headgear during the lesson on Tuesday afternoon.

Deputy headmaster Keith Plant said: "It's difficult to know at the moment whether this was part of the curriculum or not. I am not an RE teacher, I am an English teacher.

"At the moment it is our enterprise week and many of our members of staff are away.

"The particular member of staff you need to speak to isn't around. I think that it is a shame that so many parents have got in touch with the Press before coming to me.

"I have spoken to the teacher and she has articulately given me her version of events, but that is all I can give you at the moment."

A statement from Cheshire County Council on behalf of the school read: "The headteacher David Black contacted this authority immediately complaints were received.

"Enquiries are being made into the circumstances as a matter of urgency and all parents will be informed accordingly.

"Educating children in the beliefs of different faith is part of the diversity curriculum on the basis that knowledge is essential to understanding.

"We accept that such teaching is to be conducted with some sense of sensitivity."
Schoolboys punished with detention for refusing to kneel down and pray to Allah | Mail Online

How Islamophobic
__________________

__________________
A_Wanderer is offline  
Old 07-05-2008, 07:31 AM   #2
ONE
love, blood, life
 
indra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 12,689
Local Time: 12:40 PM
Hmm...if this is true just imagine how much fun -- or how horrific, depending on your classmates, I suppose -- the practical demonstration in sex ed is going to be.
__________________

__________________
indra is offline  
Old 07-05-2008, 07:43 AM   #3
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Pearl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,653
Local Time: 12:40 PM
Quote:
"But if Muslims were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war."
Absolutely.

And if Britain is so concerned with Islamaphobia, what about the anti-West and anti-Christian views some UK Muslims have? Why won't Britain tackle that?
__________________
Pearl is offline  
Old 07-05-2008, 07:48 AM   #4
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 02:40 AM
A mandatory and comprehensive class on comparative religion that outlines what people believe, puts that knowledge into a historical context and demonstrates that there are a lot of different claims to revealed truth would undercut religious bigotry to a degree.

I suspect that a lot of people on FYM could say that they would have benefited from such a system, and those that enjoyed that sort of openness about what others believe wouldn't want to forfeit it.
__________________
A_Wanderer is offline  
Old 07-05-2008, 10:39 AM   #5
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The American Resistance
Posts: 4,754
Local Time: 10:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by indra View Post
Hmm...if this is true just imagine how much fun -- or how horrific, depending on your classmates, I suppose -- the practical demonstration in sex ed is going to be.


Headmaster: Well had I done foreplay?

Pupils: ...Yes sir.

Headmaster: Well, as we all know about foreplay no doubt you can
tell me what the purpose of foreplay is... Biggs.
__________________
INDY500 is offline  
Old 07-05-2008, 11:45 AM   #6
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
ntalwar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,900
Local Time: 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearl View Post
Absolutely.

And if Britain is so concerned with Islamaphobia, what about the anti-West and anti-Christian views some UK Muslims have? Why won't Britain tackle that?
Where in the article did you infer "Britain"? Is there any mention of a national policy?
__________________
ntalwar is offline  
Old 07-05-2008, 12:24 PM   #7
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Pearl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,653
Local Time: 12:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ntalwar View Post
Where in the article did you infer "Britain"? Is there any mention of a national policy?
I regularly read the British papers and the BBC website. Often, there are articles and Op-Eds talking about Islamophobia in Britain.

Here's an example:
Is post-war Britain anti-Muslim? | Mail Online
__________________
Pearl is offline  
Old 07-05-2008, 01:00 PM   #8
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
ntalwar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,900
Local Time: 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearl View Post
I regularly read the British papers and the BBC website. Often, there are articles and Op-Eds talking about Islamophobia in Britain.

Here's an example:
Is post-war Britain anti-Muslim? | Mail Online
So if Islamaphobia is prevalent in Britain, as the article indicates, the statement "Britain is so concerned with Islamaphobia" is incorrect.
__________________
ntalwar is offline  
Old 07-05-2008, 03:03 PM   #9
Blue Crack Addict
 
meegannie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Norwich, England
Posts: 15,798
Local Time: 04:40 PM
I would take the source into consideration here. Having seen the RE resources used in schools, I have a hard time believing some of the claims in this article, and the Daily Mail is notorious for exaggerating stories. I suspect there was more to the detention than the boys just refusing to take part in the lesson.
__________________
meegannie is offline  
Old 07-05-2008, 03:13 PM   #10
Blue Crack Addict
 
Laura M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 18,932
Local Time: 05:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by meegannie View Post
I have a hard time believing some of the claims in this article, and the Daily Mail is notorious for exaggerating stories. I suspect there was more to the detention than the boys just refusing to take part in the lesson.
Yup. I think that whatever happened during the lesson has been blown completely out of proportion.
__________________

__________________
Laura M is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:40 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com