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Old 04-19-2005, 07:12 AM   #31
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im not suprised i feel the exact opposite as ted nugent. he's a psycho.
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Old 04-19-2005, 07:59 AM   #32
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This is one of the reasons why I would never, every consider living in the USA. I could not even contemplate living anywhere where I know that any old tom, dick or harry could have a gun
That's a little bit over the top, in my view. There are safe and dangerous neighbourhoods in the US, as in the UK or Ireland or any other country. There are parts of Dublin with significant gun crime, as in London and Manchester, etc. (Not that I agree with the NRA)
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:09 AM   #34
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I don't know how I feel about gun control. I don't see any reason for assault weapons. I have no problem with hunting rifles. I'm divided on handguns, although I certainly understand the desire for homeowners and shopowners to feel they have a level playing field.

What I do know is that the NRA makes a lousy poster child for gun rights. If I didn't know better, I would think they were spoofing. But then I know they are not.
I agree with you on your points made. I don't agree with assault weapons, they're rather unneccesary. Responsible hunters are not a concern of mine. I find myself in favor of a limited amount of gun control, such as background checks and waiting periods. Criminals should never be allowed to own any kind of weapon in my opinion. As far as complete disarmment goes, I agree with the constitution. I do however find Ted and the NRA a tad out of whack to say the least. I certainly don't idolize gun fanatics, that's for sure.
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:11 AM   #35
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What other assumption is there? It's a gun. They only have one purpose.
As my post said, guns are used to protect people, property, and business. Also, for recreational purposes, mainly hunting. It is wrong to assume that the vast majority who purchase firearms have criminal intent. The exact opposite holds true.
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:36 AM   #36
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but you miss the point of Anna's post. guns DO have only ONE purpose - to maim or kill, whether criminal or not.
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but you miss the point of Anna's post. guns DO have only ONE purpose - to maim or kill, whether criminal or not.
Really? Is that why all gun owners made that purpose? Because they all want to maim or kill? Sweeping generalization if you ask me.
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:42 AM   #38
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why else would anyone have a gun?

To put flowers down the end of it and use it as an unusual vase?

To use to open beer bottles?

To use instead of a hole punch when doing the filing?
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why else would anyone have a gun?

To put flowers down the end of it and use it as an unusual vase?

To use to open beer bottles?

To use instead of a hole punch when doing the filing?
That's like saying that a woman shouldn't own pepper spray because she wants to spray people with it. A whole different discussion than hole punchers, bottle openers, vases, toilet paper, and other necessities that you WANT to use.
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:56 AM   #40
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This is one of the reasons why I would never, every consider living in the USA. I could not even contemplate living anywhere where I know that any old tom, dick or harry could have a gun
I spend 2/3 of my day downtown, and I don't fear for my life. My fiance's next door neighbor had a gun, but he never used it for violent means. I think you're exaggerating. A LOT.
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I didn't say that I would fear for my life - you're putting words in my mouth. This isn't a slur on your country. I have spent a lot of time in the USA. When I was there I didn't worry about being shot. I just don't like the idea that random people can keep guns. IMHO, I prefer to live in a country where people aren't allowed by law to keep handguns.

You are arguing that your neighbour never used his gun for violent means, but what other means does a gun have? Any of its uses, including hunting, is, by nature, violent. It has no non-violent uses.
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Any of its uses, including hunting, is, by nature, violent. It has no non-violent uses.
I don't see how hunting could be a violent crime, unless you put animals on a pedestal like a hindu would. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the idea that people wear fur, but they're entitled to be naive. So who is hurt by hunting, besides animals? Hunters only hurt each other on a very rare basis.
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I didn't say that hunting was a violent crime, but it is still killing a living thing. My dictionary defines violence as 'using force to hurt or attack'

I'm not trying to get into a debate about the morality of hunting, but my point is that a gun is used to maim or kill, whether by way of hunting, by way of shooting an intruder, or by way of accidently blowing your head off whilst polishing it. Whether you buy it intending to use it or not, and whether it IS used or not, it's end purpose is still the same - to maim or kill.
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Really? Is that why all gun owners made that purpose? Because they all want to maim or kill? Sweeping generalization if you ask me.
Mac, your logic is falling short today. Guns were invented and designed to kill. That is the purpose of a gun. There is no other PURPOSE for a gun. Yes some use them to shoot at targets, but that's to better themselves at shooting so if they use it for protection or criminal intent they are a better shot. At the end of the day and the end of all the other reasons people will buy guns it comes down to the point that they are specifically designed to kill.

They are like cars that have another first intent in design but can be used to kill, guns first intent is to kill.

Oh and the whole protection thing, it's a pretty crap argument the percentage of deaths from guns due to protection is less than 10%.
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Oh and the whole protection thing, it's a pretty crap argument the percentage of deaths from guns due to protection is less than 10%.
Explain.
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