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Old 07-20-2006, 12:28 AM   #61
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Moral grounds? Let's just say I'm against using medicine to give people false hope. And right now, embryonic stem-cell research is the scientific equivalent of Benny Hinn. Lot's of big promises, lot's of pleas for more money...but in the end, few results.
Wow, then we should stop. Fuck the cure for cancer or AIDS...



You obviously didn't major in science, it takes time.
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I will never understand the way his mind works. Cells that will get flushed down the toilet, are not allowed to be given funding to actually do something proactive with them instead? Absolutely preposterous!

And calling it 'protecting innocent life' its a CELL not a SENTIENT being. Using bullshit drawings of a seven yr old to make an arguement is pathetic!

This whole thing makes me SEETE with anger
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The idea that the President of the United States thinks that God speaks through him is as frightening as anything else he's done or said.
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ah well, at least it accounts for one of the voices in his head


I do wonder what his true objection is though
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OK, all not in favour of stem cell research, please sign off on any future cures which other scientists in other countries may possibly discover using stem cell research.

Since you don't believe it is ethically or morally correct to use embryonic stem cells, then using any treatment or cure from said research is also unethical or moral. So we better not catch you trying to seek treatment for Alzheimers in 2030 after they come up with a treatment.
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these debates drive me fucking batty. it's going to be some fucktard dickwad like bush who stops me from ever getting 'cured'. i cannot imagine how someone with a fatal or much more serious illness feels.
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OK, all not in favour of stem cell research, please sign off on any future cures which other scientists in other countries may possibly discover using stem cell research.

Since you don't believe it is ethically or morally correct to use embryonic stem cells, then using any treatment or cure from said research is also unethical or moral. So we better not catch you trying to seek treatment for Alzheimers in 2030 after they come up with a treatment.

This may be a dumb question--but what *are* other countries(governments, political and religious leaders, ethicsists, scientists, laypersons,etc.) attitudes toward embryonic stem cell research?

I mean, you always hear about American attitudes...
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^I found this map so far

http://mbbnet.umn.edu/scmap.html
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these debates drive me fucking batty. it's going to be some fucktard dickwad like bush who stops me from ever getting 'cured'. i cannot imagine how someone with a fatal or much more serious illness feels.
No one is stopping you from getting cured. I am not aware of Australia's stance on this issue, but I suspect that there are not similar barriers to stem cell research. And there is no ban on stem cell research here.

Bush took a stance on this subject years ago (pre-election) and stood by his position.
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Wow, then we should stop. Fuck the cure for cancer or AIDS...
No one's saying stop, BVS. What some are saying is that this is an inappropriate arena for the government to be stepping into.

Even the most optimistic scientists (as I was just hearing today on NPR) heavily qualify their promises of what stem cell research can actually lead to.
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No one's saying stop, BVS. What some are saying is that this is an inappropriate arena for the government to be stepping into.
What do you mean by "stepping into"?
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No one's saying stop, BVS. What some are saying is that this is an inappropriate arena for the government to be stepping into.

Even the most optimistic scientists (as I was just hearing today on NPR) heavily qualify their promises of what stem cell research can actually lead to.



i really don't get what you're getting at here.

it seems to me that if you have areas of great ethical concern, you'd want the money to come from the government due to the greater amount of regulation and oversight.
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On a board where criticism and suspicion of the government runs far, wide, and deep (and often rightfully so), I'm surprised that we're suddenly trusting of their regulation and oversight.
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On a board where criticism and suspicion of the government runs far, wide, and deep (and often rightfully so), I'm surprised that we're suddenly trusting of their regulation and oversight.
So you don't have any moral/ethical problems with stem cell research, you just don't trust the government to properly fund such research?
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On a board where criticism and suspicion of the government runs far, wide, and deep (and often rightfully so), I'm surprised that we're suddenly trusting of their regulation and oversight.


i think you should go back and read anitram's earlier posts.

she probably understands this stuff better than anyone else on the board.
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