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Old 07-16-2005, 01:40 PM   #1
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I now this is going to sound VERY silly, but it makes sense to me (to vegetarians)

So, I was thinking the other day about vegetarianism. And then I got to thinking about water. Water has countless little micro organisms swimming around in there, and they're essentially animals I suppose. So why is it ok for vegetarians to drink water? They actually would be killing living animals.

What makes big animals like cows more important than little animals like mosquitos and fleas and micro organisms? Isn't that a little hypocritical?

I know this sounds silly, I laughed at myself when I thought about it, but it really does make sense.
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and they're essentially animals
Well there's your problem.
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Bacteria and viruses and other single-celled organisms are not animals in any sense of the word.

That's why there's a Kingdom Animalia separate from Kingdom Protista and Kingdom Monera.

Hell, bacteria aren't even eukaryotic.
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I dunno if they're classified as animals, but they are lving creatures aren't they?
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In the very basic sense of the word, yes. But so are plants if you want to get really technical about it.

But it's not the fact that things are living that vegetarians put emphasis on. It's the pain aspect that most emphasize, or at least the vegetarians I know.

No single-celled organism feels pain, due to a lack of a central nervous system. In fact, the majority survive the passage through the body (unless their plasma membranes are unable to withstand the pH levels of gastric fluid) and just pass out the other end.
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I dunno if they're classified as animals, but they are lving creatures aren't they?
THEY ARE NOT ANIMALS!!!
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THEY ARE NOT ANIMALS!!!
I'm not asking if they're animals... I'm saying that using logic maybe it would be wrong to kill smaller organisms.

Either way, I know alot of vegetarians kill insects, and I don't see their excuse for that.
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Well then those people are obviously not very strict.

I can't fathom how anybody would go about deliberately killing a bacteria though.
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I'm not asking if they're animals... I'm saying that using logic maybe it would be wrong to kill smaller organisms.

Either way, I know alot of vegetarians kill insects, and I don't see their excuse for that.
I've never met a vegetarian that said they gave up meat because they wanted all living things saved. That wouldn't make sense.
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I can't fathom how anybody would go about deliberately killing a bacteria though.
I know it just makes you sick doesn't it.
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I've never met a vegetarian that said they gave up meat because they wanted all living things saved. That wouldn't make sense.
Well I don't see why one living thing should be valued more than another (using the logic of a vegetarian of course).
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That's not really what I meant, BVS. I meant that I don't know how someone would expect to be able to kill a bacteria in the same way that one kills, say, an ant or a mosquito. Surely nobody expects to be able to take a pin and go around poking the ground to try to stab an amoeba.

Shart, the difference is that a single-celled organism is just nominally alive. Barely. They don't even really do anything besides metabolise their ingested material and divide. Animals on the other hand, feel pain, have complex organ systems, are multi-cellular, and have many uses besides just food.
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That's not really what I meant, BVS.
I know it was a poor attempt at humor, my blood sugar is low haven't eaten all day.
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Well then why is it ok for vegetarians to kill insects?
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Well then why is it ok for vegetarians to kill insects?
I think it comes down to logic. Mesquitos can possibly spread disease, some spiders could kill you, etc. You drive a car and your grill kills 173 mesquitos a day on average.

If they are just going around killing them for fun then they have issues, but if they're exterminating there house for the protection of their family I don't see the issue.
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