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Old 01-06-2007, 01:54 AM   #31
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I hope to see a female or minority be president.
And we may very well see this - but I'd be in favour of any good president at this point.

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Old 01-06-2007, 09:01 AM   #32
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Well, don't ever mistake the ideals we evangelize with the behavior we exhibit. When there is discrepancy between words and behavior, always trust in the behavior as being the true indicator.

And truly, we wouldn't be in this state if so many women here in the US didn't buy into it. They want personal freedom and opportunity for themselves and their daughters, but have bought into this male deference thing. And are hugely rewarded by the men in power -- in work, etc.--for their willingness to climb the corporate ladder by deifying the boss while treating the women under them with no humanity or respect whatsoever. What a wonderful way to get around a sexual discrimination suit--have a woman do the discriminating. Beware the boss who has a harem of adoring women around him basking in his light, unwilling to create their own light and more than willing to douse the lights of the other women.

As long as we take it, we'll get it. As long as women think men are superior to women (at least to other women) we will be defacto second class citizens. (I think there are plenty of women who are supportive of women. I just don't think there are enough. And I don't think that being supportive of women is to be an enemy to men. There are a lot of really good women and really good men. Some of the biggest believers in me have been men as well as women. I've returned the favor to both, but yeah, I have a self-interest in supporting good women--good and bad being relative terms).

My guess here, is once you get beyond the old boy network, you will find plenty of men willing to vote for a qualified woman. I'm curious how many women you will find. We are often our own worst enemy.

End of rant and derailment. And yeah, it's nice to see a woman speaker. (Don't blow it. She's going to be watched carefully.)
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True-some of Hillary's biggest critics are female. And they're not critics because of her stances on ______ issues. I would never say that women shouldn't criticize Hillary for x or y or whatever-but like I said there is fair and unfair criticism. And men still get more leeway and are criticized less for the same or comparable traits, etc. In politics and in other arenas.


Oh Nancy Pelosi will be crucified too, for the same traits and behaviors that men are applauded for. That's what is so unfair and makes me so angry-and it's certainly true for Hillary too. The fact remains though that many men are still threatened by women like them-but you're correct, some women are too.
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Asked if he was felt singled out as the first Muslim member, Ellison said no and added, "By reaching out to Congressman Goode I'm not trying to be accepted, I'm trying to build bridges. In this world there are too many misunderstandings. I want to put a human face on things."
Those damn jihadists are so unreasonable.
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Yeah, he definitely has some sort of hidden agenda there. I think that needs to be investigated by Homeland Security or something
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I think it's great that Ellison is reaching out to Goode. According to the article (I read the whole thing) they are going to meet for coffee sometime soon. And Ellison's attitude is perfect. He just thinks it's all part of the development and isn't letting it get to him.
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I guess they'd just better go to a white Christian American owned coffee shop
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but they might have trouble finding one in DC
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How about a Starbuck's? Seriously, when I was in D.C. in November of 2004 we were a block away from a Starbucks, and I had lunch there one day.
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But there might be Muslim owners of Starbucks, or Muslims working there, or Muslim customers Virgil Goode's head might explode. Or maybe he'd think they were conducting acts of terrorism via latte foam...
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I know a couple of great hookah bars I can recommend in DC
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Isn't everyplace in DC a block away from a Starbuck's?
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Isn't everyplace in DC a block away from a Starbuck's?
Maybe. I can't remember.
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Beware the boss who has a harem of adoring women around him basking in his light, unwilling to create their own light and more than willing to douse the lights of the other women.
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My guess here, is once you get beyond the old boy network, you will find plenty of men willing to vote for a qualified woman. I'm curious how many women you will find. We are often our own worst enemy.
For all I know this is what made you think of it, but I wonder how much this kind of thing ties in with this thread over in LS.
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No, I didn't see the thread in LS. Thanks, though. On the whole, I don't like the which sex makes a better of anything debate because I think it misses the core issues, but I've certainly observed things that bewilder me.
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