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Old 06-03-2006, 01:53 PM   #46
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Bush, he has managed to erode his base away.
True, but the problem is that all he has to do to get them back is bring out irrelevant issues such as gay marriage and abortion to bring them out to vote for Republican candidates. And that's exactly what he's doing through this amendment.
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He's completely shameless and disgusting, as he has been since forever. Nothing new here, folks.
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When there is a valid reason to amend the Constitution, I hope that it's one that betters the country rather than weakening it by legalizing bigotry. Bush is wasting time and money (not that that's stopped him before) when there are myriad problems that deserve attention more than this pathetic grab for his disenchanted base. Shameful, but not surprising.
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Now surely such a thing can't get through; incidently people should look at the parliamentary democracy of Australia that got a gay marriage ban through very quickly as more or less a non-issue with both major parties in support.
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What does that mean, "non-issue"?

I'm sure gays who wish to get married in Australia consider it an issue, no?

It's OK for Australia to pass a gay marriage ban, but not the US... please explain.
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I think what he means is that our ban got passed through relatively quickly and quietly, without the opportunity for backlash - a non issue in it's calm pushing under the rug by parliament.
Dont quote me, but I believe A_W agrees homosexuals should be permitted marriage same as anyone else.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13121953/site/newsweek/

Though Bush himself has publicly embraced the amendment, he never seemed to care enough to press the matter. One of his old friends told NEWSWEEK that same-sex marriage barely registers on the president's moral radar. "I think it was purely political. I don't think he gives a shit about it. He never talks about this stuff," said the friend, who requested anonymity to discuss his private conversations with Bush. White House aides, who also declined to be identified, insist that the president does care about banning gay marriage. They say Monday's events with amendment supporters—Bush will also meet privately with a small group—have been in the works "for weeks" and aren't just a sop to conservatives.
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I think what he means is that our ban got passed through relatively quickly and quietly, without the opportunity for backlash - a non issue in it's calm pushing under the rug by parliament.
Dont quote me, but I believe A_W agrees homosexuals should be permitted marriage same as anyone else.
Well I guess that now people can quote me

Gays should have the same legal recognition and rights of union as heterosexual couples (for which marriage is not always for procreation). This proposal is pure politics just like the idea of banning flag burning - in the flag burning case it violates the priciple of free speech and in the gay marriage case it is endorsing one particular religious position over another (for that matter why should consensual bigamy be outlawed?).

I am sure that people see it as a big negative that America has to have these "debates" when poll numbers languish but at least it's not going to be able to get through and it is out there in the open and not being rushed through and passed like the ban in Australia was (which is interesting because Australia on the whole is a relatively gay friendly country).

Another little point is the religiousity of America compared to other liberal democracies in the world; perhaps this is in no small part due to America not suffering an offical church of state in it's history since indepence that have turned people away from religion in so many other places.
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What does that mean, "non-issue"?

I'm sure gays who wish to get married in Australia consider it an issue, no?

It's OK for Australia to pass a gay marriage ban, but not the US... please explain.
It's not alright for either, but in the US such an amendment shouldn't be able to get through whereas the system in Australia allowed it to get through without a fuss.
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This is awesome

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"First off, understand that I am not gay nor have ever desecrated the American flag...yet.

But if something isn't legislated soon, I don't know how long before I head down to my local leather shop to suit up and match Old Glory. "Old Glory." There you go. A few days ago I would have called the flag "The Stars and Stripes." Anyone with a scintilla of flag history behind them knows that the term "Old Glory" was coined by Navy Captain William Driver, a 19th-century ship master.
Sailor. Ship. Do I have to draw you a Village People map?

Finally, our president and a solid 33% of our legislators are standing up for what is right, no matter how many of conservative core voters come out to vote Republican this November.

Thank you, Mr. Bush -- and Mr. Frist -- for standing up in support of the Federal Marriage Amendment. For if not passed, how soon before gay men who married each other would start having gay babies? How long before extremely well-built, extremely attractive men who know how to dress will be wasted on other men? How soon before gay women start marrying and stop having that hot single lesbian sex that straight men love to watch?

Those who mock the Constitutional amendment seem to have overlooked that the legislation does not say gays cannot marry. They just would not be able to marry each other. What is the big deal? I would have loved to marry Catherine Zeta Jones Douglas but that didn't work out. Should she have been forced to marry me when she was single? And for the most part I can't marry people who are already married to someone else. Should Michael Douglas be forced to make Catherine available to me now. Not likely. But do you hear me complaining about changing the law? I mean a law that I agree with.

There's no denying a slippery slope. If we allow a man to marry a man how soon before bisexuals will be allowed to marry each other. If we allow women to marry women, Mary Cheney may never have the opportunity to marry a man. How soon before Ellen marries the Dixie Chicks? And with all the men marrying men and women marrying women, the sanctity of marriage would suffer so immeasurably that there would leave little time or opportunity for Rush Limbaugh to keep getting married. Is that something future wives waiting to be future divorcees of el Rushbo would want?

We must focus on the country's vital objectives. The sooner we stop gays from marrying the sooner we can bring the troops home; the sooner we stop desecrating the flag, the sooner that the Homeland Security Department can become competent and keep bureaucracy from desecrating the safety of Americans at home.

Let us no longer let gays nor flag burners divide our country. Let's give that job to the Constitution.

*How that flag got into my assless chaps I'll never know.

Steve Young is author of " Great Failures of the Extremely Successful" and can be read every Sunday on the very straight L.A. Daily News opinion page...right on top of Bill O'Reilly's column.
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how embarassing to be a Republican these days.

i find this whole thing so dispiriting. i wonder how straight people would feel being turned into political red meat to be tossed out to people who actively hate you. it feels lovely to be degraded on television, on the floor of Congress.

i can't wait for the schadenfreude -- in 10 years when the current crop of Republicans will look pretty much the same as George Wallace standint at the door of Foster Auditorium at the University of Alabama trying to block two black students from enrolling at the school.

why don't they just start chanting: "segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever!"





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Bush is just trying to divert the public's attention away from all of his problems he has on the real issues. This is a diversion. This doesn't surprise me, it's Bush's way.
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People who are against full rights for gays are on the wrong side of history.

In 50 years their grandchildren will wonder, who were these hicks who prevented my friends and neighbours from a life of human rights? And that'll be grandpa and grandma on the mantle.
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People who are against full rights for gays are on the wrong side of history.

In 50 years their grandchildren will wonder, who were these hicks who prevented my friends and neighbours from a life of human rights? And that'll be grandpa and grandma on the mantle.
Very true...
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at MrsSpringsteen's post

Stupid fuckheads is right, Irvine (meaning I agree with you)

I concur with verte76 and anitram as well



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