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Old 05-19-2006, 09:57 PM   #31
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Which makes his vote for the amendment to go to the Senate much, much worse pandering.
Pandering? Or a way to kill the issue once and for all?
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Pandering? Or a way to kill the issue once and for all?
So the GOP will tell their supporters

"We tried and we can not get the votes, so this issue is over."


I am sure that is thier agenda
and this vote will kill the issue once and for all.
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You can't make much political hay out of failed constitutional amendments. Even flag burning amendments have come to a dead end.
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So you are saying the Senate should pass it
and it should flounder for 15? years
like the ERA amendment did?


Passing in the Senate gives it a lot of credibility
and puts pressure on the states to get to 38.

The ERA amendment did a lot to legitimize Women's' rights.
The amendment failing to get 38 state ratifications did not kill women's' right once and for all.
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I did not suggest that the Senate pass the amendment.

And on what basis do you see Senate approval as "putting pressure" on the States to pass? Your choice of example contradicts your suggestion.
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And on what basis do you see Senate approval as "putting pressure" on the States to pass? Your choice of example contradicts your suggestion.
Once the Senate passed the ERA
there was a lot politicking to get the 38 states to ratify.

I was a teenager and remember quite well.

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The initial pace of state legislative ratifications was rapid during 1972 and 1973, but then slowed considerably with only three ratifications during 1974, just one in 1975, none at all in 1976, and only one in 1977. The 92nd Congress, in proposing the ERA, had set a seven-year time limit for the Amendment's ratification, and by the end of that deadline on March 22, 1979, a total of 35 of the required 38 states had ratified it. Also, as of that date, four of those 35 states had subsequently adopted resolutions to rescind their earlier ratifications and a fifth state adopted a resolution declaring that its earlier approval of the ERA would not extend beyond March 22, 1979

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Despite the ERA's failure at ratification, many of its goals have otherwise been achieved through judicial interpretations of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. The successes of feminism in altering both the culture and politics of the United States since the 1970s, together with the significant inclusion of women in many fields once traditionally dominated by men, have dampened much of the political momentum that once propelled the ERA.
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But the Senate action had little impact as it took tremedous politicking to get the necessary states on board.
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This amendment disgusts me.
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You can't make much political hay out of failed constitutional amendments. Even flag burning amendments have come to a dead end.


but they get brought up every few years by a bunch of politicians trying to make headway with the nativist bunch -- even HRC has done this.
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It's coming up Tuesday

PlanetOut Network Fri Jun 2, 7:27 PM ET

SUMMARY: As the Senate marriage debate looms, Soulforce love-bombs the majority leader's Nashville hometown with pro-gay statements by Coretta King.

When Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., heads back home, he'll soon be able to see a larger-than-life message opposing his proposed federal anti-gay marriage amendment. Soulforce, a group that fights religious discrimination against the gay community, is paying to put up billboards all over Nashville.

The 16 billboards will feature this quote: "Gay and lesbian people have families, and their families should have legal protections, whether by marriage or civil union. A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is a form of gay bashing, and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriages."

That quote comes from a 2004 speech by Coretta Scott King at the Richard Stockton College of New Jersey. The civil rights giant, who died Jan. 30, was always an outspoken advocate for LGBT rights.

"Soulforce reminds Sen. Frist's hometown that Mrs. King stood for the full equality of lesbian and gay Americans and against homophobia," said Soulforce Executive Director Jeff Lutes in a written statement. Lutes is also featured on the billboards with his partner and son.

"Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and others, under pressure from wealthy fundamentalists, are again trying to write discrimination into the Constitution rather than focusing on the real problems facing America," Lutes said.

Frist reintroduced the anti-gay bill using similar language to the one voted down in 2004. The amendment would keep same-sex couples from getting any kind of marriage rights and prohibit states and local courts from granting marriage rights to same-sex couples, as happened in Massachusetts. It would void same-sex couples' legal marriages, and some observers even speculate that it could eliminate civil unions and domestic partnerships.

Debate on the marriage amendment is scheduled to start Tuesday in the Senate. Despite right-wing pressure campaigns against key GOP senators, support for the amendment is believed to fall short of the two-thirds needed to send it to the House.

Frist has acknowledged he brought the amendment back into the national debate to get conservative support for GOP candidates. Political strategists speculate that President Bush's historically low poll numbers could hurt Republicans running for Congress in November's midterm elections.
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Now surely such a thing can't get through; incidently people should look at the parliamentary democracy of Australia that got a gay marriage ban through very quickly as more or less a non-issue with both major parties in support.
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for Feingold's response to Spector. He's a great Senator and I would love for him to run in 2008. I think right now he's the only Democrat that has the balls to stand up to the hypocritical GOP.

for the amendment for obvious reasons. It's just another political ploy by the GOP because Bush is losing big time in the polls and they need to get the fundamentalists out to vote.
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He is down with the conservatives, "compassionate conservatism" really equals Christian socialism.
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He is down with the conservatives, "compassionate conservatism" really equals Christian socialism.
Who are we talking about?
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Bush, he has managed to erode his base away.
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