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Old 03-22-2002, 01:31 AM   #91
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a couple of people who ought to be ashamed of the way they've carried on
I agree that some people should be ahamed of the way they carry on

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Achtung, I realize that Chain's post have been arrogant beyond words, but please don't stoop to the level of a couple of our opponents who name call. To be honest, I think it only adds fuel to the fire. It shocked me when I read it because it's so unlike you.
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When I first saw this thread, I thought you were talking about the band, Rush, not the idiot radio whore Rush.

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Achtung, I realize that Chain's post have been arrogant beyond words, but please don't stoop to the level of a couple of our opponents who name call. To be honest, I think it only adds fuel to the fire. It shocked me when I read it because it's so unlike you.
At some point, a human being has to decide that enough is enough.

Very recently, I've been criticized for my religious beliefs; conservative Christians have been called homophobic Bible-thumper in a forum that supposedly practices religious tolerance. I've been harassed for my political beliefs; conservatives and the leading conservative commentators have been called NAZIs without the shadow of a legitimate reason, in a forum where I can't dare call Michael Moore an idiot. And I've been personally attacked, being called a bully and Pharisee.

Why has this happened?

Three reasons: my beliefs are contrary to many other beliefs here, I confidently hold that I am actually right, and I am able to brilliantly defend my position.

Seriously: if you people could have picked apart my arguments even in this thread, you would have by now. You would have addressed the reminder of Malcolm X's violent legacy in the wake of the L.A. Riots. You would have countered the claim that a scandal-happy Senator should be under scrutiny, despite the fact that she happens to black and female. And you would have responded to the fact that the 40,000 residents of East St. Louis constitute less than two percent of the metropolitan population.

But you didn't attack my actual points, you attacked the fact that I made those points to begin with:

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trying to convince that you are right has become more important in here then trying to find out what the exact truth might be
A Catch-22 of contradiction if I ever saw one. Had I merely said, "the article's biased," you'd chalk that up to "a difference of opinion." I actually demonstrate the worthlessness of the article, and now I'm apparently too concerned with proving my point.

You claim I responded out of nothing more than anger:

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So you post a said requested list, and three angry white males get hopping mad.
Another trap: merely disagreeing with someone and backing up the disagreement with evidence and logic now constitutes anger.

And you went right to name-calling:

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Bubba, I can't talk to you. I do not find your observations "astute." You have a need to be right. I don't. I find you to be a bully and I will not debate with a bully. I disagree with 80s 99% of the time, but at least he is a nice person. I don't think you are.
All because I demonstrated, paragraph-by-paragraph, that that petty little editorial is worthless.

When chain posted his most recent banality, I decided I had enough.

You people don't discuss anything, you don't address my actual arguments - any of the points I actually make - and instead resort to name-calling and hypothetical arguments that don't stand up to any scrutiny at all.

(Again, NAME ANYONE on this forum who's seriously changed their opinions and apologized accordingly. I'd say no one has, so it doesn't matter that I don't either.)

Ultimately, if you can call me names, I can and eventually WILL return the kindness. I won't turn off my brain and start spewing emotional drivel. I will use my brain to harness my hatred and tear you a new 'hole.
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One more thing:

CHAIN ACTUALLY IS AN ASSHOLE.

Look at his replies in this thread:

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Joyfulgirl,

Or course you are right.

Any clear thinking, rational person hears the mean spirited and intolerant statements Rush continues to make.


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Joyfulgirl,

You are a voice of reason.


“I'd definitely like to see you list any racist remarks he has made.”


So you post a said requested list, and three angry white males get hopping mad.

"Have you ever noticed how all newspaper composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"
How exactly is this racist?
Anyone?


That says it all!

Anyone who would ask this question just does not get it, probably never will.


I now light a candle against the darkness.

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“Tell the truth and people will not like you, tell the truth when they know you are right and they will hate you”
Amusing: two nearly identical posts, neither of them saying anything of any importance.

Not terribly outrageous in comparison to what would follow, but this already demonstrates his two worst attributes: pseudointellectual arrogance and a complete lack of anything substantive.

The obvious reply is that I too am arrogant. Let's say for the sake of argument I'm arrogant and not merely confident. At least I back up what I say.)

Chain asserts that Rush's comments are clearly racist, this after I posted an essay of 1,151 words picking apart the article, arguing to the contrary. Does he dispute my repsonse? No - all he does is claim my response is just proof that I'm mad, and that I'm clearly wrong, again without explanation. Does he offer his own defense of the article? NO.

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First Mr. Bubba,

I would like to pay you a sincere complement. A while back in a different thread concerning the confederate flag, you stated that if it offended minorities you thought it should not be displayed.
Most of my friends who reside quite a bit south of the Mason Dixon line give weak arguments about Southern pride, culture, etc. I expected something similar from you, and was pleasantly surprised.

Your postings reveal you to be a huge Rush fan, I was once, I now hear what many others hear, (Joyful, etc)

Re: "Have you ever noticed how all newspaper composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

Here is a thought, go up to 5 or 6 random people (not your like minded peers, include some people of color) and ask them to respond to this remark.


If you are not comfortable repeating it, then print it out on paper and present it that way.


Let’s call it a home study assignment for a, sociology? or media? class.


Regards,

Chain
This post again contains no substantive arguments, only implying that majority rule should determine what's racism. It has this really artificial "sincere complement", the claim that he was once a "huge Rush fan" who's now seen the light (again, by hearing the same thing that joyfulgirl hears, even though she doesn't listen to the show), and this insincere "Regards" that lawyers, CEOs, and other use so well when they really don't mean it.

It's at this point I begin to suspect a more thoroughly irritating individual - again, a person marked by arrogance but lacking the mental prowess to support such evidence.

That said, I replied quite reasonably, quoting a case in which popular opinion thought something was racist when it wasn't (the word "niggardly") AND a case in which popular opinion doesn't support the activists' case for establishing racism (the SI article about Native American mascots).

Did he acknowledge this response at all?

No.

Instead, he offered "help" that I never requested in apologizing for things that I don't think qualify. Again, the post that first led me to bring my anger to bear:

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Bubba,

A little help my friend.

Here IS how it is done.

I would like to pay you a sincere complement. A while back in a different thread concerning the confederate flag, you stated that if it offended minorities you thought it should not be displayed.
Most of my friends who reside quite a bit south of the Mason Dixon line give weak arguments about Southern pride, culture, etc. I expected something similar from you, ****(I WAS WRONG) and was pleasantly surprised.
Your postings reveal you to be a huge Rush fan, I was once, *****(I WAS WRONG) I now hear what many others hear, (Joyful, etc)

Re: "Have you ever noticed how all newspaper composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

Here is a thought, go up to 5 or 6 random people (not your like minded peers, include some people of color) and ask them to respond to this remark.

If you are not comfortable repeating it, then print it out on paper and present it that way.

Let’s call it a home study assignment for a, sociology? or media? class.


It is painless and liberating.

Let me help you get started,

When the issue doesn't much matter, I respect different opinions. (were you wrong here?)
When I'm wrong about facts or what someone else said, I admit it. (maybe here?)
When I clearly go too far in my use of figurative language or harsh language, I apologize. (not wrong, you have)
When someone else makes a good point (regardless of whether I disagree), I point that out, too. (?)

Through my college studies I read Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead, and most of Atlas Shrugged.
Objectivism, is a neat, clean philosophy. It works perfectly in theory. But, as I explain to my students, it goes wanting in real world applications.


Regards,

Chain
I've said it before, but it bears repeating: he claims I was lying about my general civility in these forums AND he claims that objectivism "goes wanting in real world applications." Does he offer ANY evidence to support either claim? Of course not.

And between this attempt to proofread MY post and the "a home study assignment for a, sociology? or media? class", he's clearly trying to affect the personality of an English teacher when this is a forum of equals, when he's been registered for a month (having posted less than 50 times), and he's shown himself to be absolutely TERRIBLE at offering anything substantive.

The end result is that I would like to meet the guy personally, so I bash his skull in.

"You are a voice of reason."

"I now light a candle against the darkness."

"But, as I explain to my students, it goes wanting in real world applications."

Gosh, he sounds so smart. It's a damn shame he hasn't demonstrated a single idea that suggests he's actually as smart as the phrases he uses.

Unless he does demonstrate a level of rhetorical skills commensurate with his language skills, I will continue to believe that he is a know-nothing pretending to be a know-it-all.

An asshole.
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Achtung, I hope you don't think I was jumping your case. Maybe I shouldn't have said anything, I just don't think we should respond in the same way some of them do. Anyhow, I've got your back on this one!
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Achtung, I hope you don't think I was jumping your case. Maybe I shouldn't have said anything, I just don't think we should respond in the same way some of them do. Anyhow, I've got your back on this one!
No, I didn't take your post the wrong way. My original tirade just needed more explanation.

And if you thought THAT post was bad, you should have seen it in its original form.
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A-Bubba calm down and take a breather please. Don't post any 1500+ essays for a while, and dont let the ants make you scratch.

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Old 03-22-2002, 05:53 PM   #99
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Lemonite, I've been wondering about something:
That new "chauvenist" bit under your name; did you put that on there, or did someone just decide to put that there for you?

Hahaha, 80's, Naah, I didn't put it there, I was sort of bestowed that by our Integrity Filled Leader Elvis as his final 'nyah' in some sort of Argument that He had with me..

I just sort of go with it.. The green is a nice touch though.. Don't ya think?

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Hahaha, 80's, Naah, I didn't put it there, I was sort of bestowed that by our Integrity Filled Leader Elvis as his final 'nyah' in some sort of Argument that He had with me..
I just sort of go with it.. The green is a nice touch though.. Don't ya think?
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Old 03-22-2002, 06:10 PM   #101
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Had I merely said, "the article's biased," you'd chalk that up to "a difference of opinion." I actually demonstrate the worthlessness of the article, and now I'm apparently too concerned with proving my point.
this is about the third time in this thread you assume me to post/act in a certain way and 'critize' me because of this
so far you've been wrong on all accounts

first you assume is that I'm a conservative basher
Bubba you know nothing about my political believes and I have never attacked anybody's political views in here, just their posting habits (and don't start about me only attacking conservatives on this because
a. so far I've only made a point out of making my views known to 2 people in here (you being one of them)
b. I have pointed out more than once which sorts of posts I don't like and that people with different political ideas have been posting in this manner)

then you start ranting about me not giving you the right to defend your beliefs
again something I've never done, since the only thing I have ever 'attacked' (yes, I'm a violent human being) is - and I'll say this again - your posting habits
which - according to me - are 'agressive'

now you post this catch 22 nonsense as if my only joy in life is to set you up
if my posts in here have offended you - and considering what I've read here from you and 80's U2 I obviously have - I do apologize

feel free to mail Elvis or anybody re. my behaviour
point out every post which show my diabolical plan to set you up/annoy you or whatever in this forum
do whatever you want
just don't pretend you have any clue why I have spent more time in this thread then I have the rest of "Free Your Mind" put together, because you obviously don't

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It appears you consciously stopped the moment I asked for more definitive proof that conservatives are Nazis.
I work "BUBBA." Something that you don't seem to do. I really don't know where you get all this time to post.

I've argued enough with you to know very well that you don't listen to me whatsoever, so what is the point of me even responding to you?

BTW, did I call conservatives "Nazis" in this thread? You seemingly brought that on yourself. Nice sidetrack, Rush, Jr. Big Daddy would be very proud.

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One more thing:

CHAIN ACTUALLY IS AN ASSHOLE.
You exhibit histrionic personality disorder more and more. A whole quote on how a particular member is an asshole? Whatever happened to the issues? That's right. Rush can talk about how it takes 5 minutes for a liberal to call names, yet I can probably compile a novel of all the names you have called people in this forum. Yet another instance of the Rushist attacker/victim "role reversals."

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then you start ranting about me not giving you the right to defend your beliefs
again something I've never done, since the only thing I have ever 'attacked' (yes, I'm a violent human being) is - and I'll say this again - your posting habits
which - according to me - are 'agressive'
Honestly, this is the only problem I have with you, Bubba. I don't have major conflicts with anyone else who has views that differ from mine. I can disagree with anyone else, but with you it always becomes aggressive. You have "forum rage." Let's hope you don't have road rage. You think that when people back down it's because they are intimidated by your "brilliant" arguments when really it's that no one wants to engage with one who seems to be in a near constant state of anger. This is not an attack; it is a shared observation by many people on this forum and it would behoove you to take a look at it.
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[b] This is not an attack; it is a shared observation by many people on this forum and it would behoove you to take a look at it.
Hahha... It sounds like you sit around a coffee table with a Cafe Americano in your hands discussing the merits of our Dear Bubba.

Nice way to try and strengthen your statement by pulling the ol' Majority by Committee.

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