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Old 02-16-2007, 03:33 PM   #76
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Not that I defend any of Hardaway's other comments, but the bit about showering together is perfectly reasonable. Coed volleyball teams don't all shower together, do they?


i'd bet most straight men have showered next to a gay man and never known it. and most men check each other out in the shower. it's not sexual. it's a comparison, just how do you measure up?

however, straight men aren't used to showering with women. gay men are perfectly used to showering with men, and they have the same equipment, so it's really rather insulting to think that a gay man would be turned into a drooling, panting, fully erect caricature that we assume straight men would be if they were in the women's locker room. gay men learn very early how to conduct themselves with proper decorum when in a situation where they might possibly be with naked bodies they are sexually attracted to, so please don't put whatever pavalovian response a naked lady elicits in a straight man onto a gay man. we're used to this. and we probably look less so as not to be rude.

and, besides, they're your freaking teammates. i was on a swim team. men don't come more beautifully built than they do on the swim team. and i still didn't want to have sex with a single one of them.

and, ultimately, can't you get over the fact that, gosh, the man standing next to you just might be sexually attracted to your perfect body and big swinging penis but, guess what, he's not going to stare! or try to fellate you! or try to make you gay! and you know why? becuase he's a civilized adult!

get freaking over it, straight men. the problem is your own insecurity.
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Coed volleyball teams don't all shower together, do they?
You obviously haven't been watching the same movies I have.
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Not that I defend any of Hardaway's other comments, but the bit about showering together is perfectly reasonable. Coed volleyball teams don't all shower together, do they?
Volleyball, girls with long legs and shower - i'll brb
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i'd bet most straight men have showered next to a gay man and never known it. and most men check each other out in the shower. it's not sexual. it's a comparison, just how do you measure up?

however, straight men aren't used to showering with women. gay men are perfectly used to showering with men, and they have the same equipment, so it's really rather insulting to think that a gay man would be turned into a drooling, panting, fully erect caricature that we assume straight men would be if they were in the women's locker room. gay men learn very early how to conduct themselves with proper decorum when in a situation where they might possibly be with naked bodies they are sexually attracted to, so please don't put whatever pavalovian response a naked lady elicits in a straight man onto a gay man. we're used to this. and we probably look less so as not to be rude.

and, besides, they're your freaking teammates. i was on a swim team. men don't come more beautifully built than they do on the swim team. and i still didn't want to have sex with a single one of them.

and, ultimately, can't you get over the fact that, gosh, the man standing next to you just might be sexually attracted to your perfect body and big swinging penis but, guess what, he's not going to stare! or try to fellate you! or try to make you gay! and you know why? becuase he's a civilized adult!

get freaking over it, straight men. the problem is your own insecurity.
Not every straight man wants to shower with women (I certainly don't). If person A and person B have to see each other naked, and if person B finds person A sexually attractive but not vice versa, I don't think it's unreasonable for person A to feel uncomfortable, regardless of decorum.
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You obviously haven't been watching the same movies I have.
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Not every straight man wants to shower with women (I certainly don't). If person A and person B have to see each other naked, and if person B finds person A sexually attractive but not vice versa, I don't think it's unreasonable for person A to feel uncomfortable, regardless of decorum.
So what you are saying here is
as a straight man
you prefer no gay men in your locker room or showers.

If you really think about this for awhile -
you should be able to realize how silly it is.
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Not every straight man wants to shower with women (I certainly don't). If person A and person B have to see each other naked, and if person B finds person A sexually attractive but not vice versa, I don't think it's unreasonable for person A to feel uncomfortable, regardless of decorum.


get over yourself. it's thoroughly unreasonable. work out your own issues, don't make others suffer for your own insecurities and unfounded paranoia. you're perfectly free to find some place else to shower if the thought of a soapy gay man washing his toned abs next to you makes you uncomfortable. you are not free to tell him to go someplace else.
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So what you are saying here is
as a straight man
you prefer no gay men in your locker room or showers.

If you really think about this for awhile -
you should be able to realize how silly it is.


i'm sure there are many Southern golf clubs that fully understand this mentality.

it makes me uncomfortable when certain kinds of people watch me golf.
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Not every straight man wants to shower with women (I certainly don't). If person A and person B have to see each other naked, and if person B finds person A sexually attractive but not vice versa, I don't think it's unreasonable for person A to feel uncomfortable, regardless of decorum.
And there are some who are uncomfortable showering in front of others, period.

Why all the hang ups? Should all OB GYN's be women? Are you going to check your tailors sexuality before letting him fit you?
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Are you going to check your tailors sexuality before letting him fit you?


i would never let a heterosexual cut my hair.

i'm semi-serious.

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get over yourself. it's thoroughly unreasonable. work out your own issues, don't make others suffer for your own insecurities and unfounded paranoia. you're perfectly free to find some place else to shower if the thought of a soapy gay man washing his toned abs next to you makes you uncomfortable. you are not free to tell him to go someplace else.
Would you feel comfortable showering with a straight woman?
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i would never let a heterosexual cut my hair.

i'm semi-serious.

I've only had one straight man cut my hair(in my post college life) and he was pretty damn good, but once I moved away from Dallas, the ones I trust are women and gay men.

My current stylist is a gay woman, go figure.
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Would you feel comfortable showering with a straight woman?


i wouldn't be sexually aroused, but this still misses the point: it is the cultural custom for men to shower with men, and for women to shower with women. i have been showering with men since i started swimming. no one is bothered by me, and i'm not bothered by anyone else. if someone were bothered by the presence of a gay man in a locker room, then they are free to find somewhere else to shower they are not free to exclude someone from their locker room on the basis of sexual orientation.

what you should be asking is whether or not i would feel comfortable showering next to a man i was sexuall attracted to. and the answer is yes. i've been showering with men for a long time and i've yet to pop a woody.
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When one is showering in public with others
the goal is to get clean not hook-up

I have showered, bathed, dressed and undressed with girlfriends
I may have had different reasons and a different agenda then


when I am dressing, showering with men,
(gay or straight, who really knows for sure) I am indifferent to them and they are indifferent to me

because we both have no other agenda
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i wouldn't be sexually aroused, but this still misses the point: it is the cultural custom for men to shower with men, and for women to shower with women. i have been showering with men since i started swimming. no one is bothered by me, and i'm not bothered by anyone else. if someone were bothered by the presence of a gay man in a locker room, then they are free to find somewhere else to shower they are not free to exclude someone from their locker room on the basis of sexual orientation.
First of all, I don't advocate forcing gays to dress and shower somewhere else. I should have made this clear at the outset, so I apologize for that.

Second, when I posed the question to you, the point was to figure out whether you'd feel uncomfortable showering with a straight woman who may or may not be aroused by your body.

Finally, the cultural custom of men showering with men and women showering with women in the locker room is based on the empirical observation that men tend to be sexually attracted to women and women tend to be sexually attracted to men. Most of the rest of society has caught on to the fact that this empirical observation is not universally true, but the sporting world has not. When I go to the gym, I shower at home, and I completely do not understand why locker rooms can't just have individual shower stalls.
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