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Old 04-03-2002, 09:36 PM   #31
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The beautiful thing about Bono is that he has a lot less hatred for other people than some of his fans seem to have.

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Old 04-03-2002, 09:44 PM   #32
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As of late, I've been feeling rather useless in my life. I mean, I don't do a damn thing, and I care about such materialistic things when there are people out in the world starving and in pain. I have been living with extreme internal conflict lately. So I've joined up with Jubilee + and Drop the Debt. I'm educating people around me about what is going on and it has made me feel like I'm doing something. The truth is, everytime I get asked about how I got hooked on these two things in particular I ALWAYS think if I should say 'Bono' as my answer, or make something else up. I always say Bono, and most people are really impressed that a rock star can inspire someone to do such things. If I were to meet him, I'd thank him for helping me feel like I have a purpose again. And I could care less who Bono is with in Washington, I'm ecstatic he's with someone promoting his cause. It's a hell of a lot more than most other huge stars do. Sorry about my rant there....but I sort of answered the original purpose of this thread....

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Old 04-03-2002, 09:55 PM   #33
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I just like to say that there are a lot of U2 fans that make huge assumptions about Bono's politics in the 80s based on his positions on a couple of issue's back then. I would say most of his political views are unknown from back then and its foolish to paint people into corners as either liberal or conservitive. You can share views from both parties or multiple parties. Its not black and white.
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Old 04-03-2002, 10:00 PM   #35
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you've got to be kidding. If you honestly think Bono is a "conservative" like Bob Barr or any of those weirdos, in any way shape or form, ever was, or ever will be, then a lot of us would like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.
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you've got to be kidding. If you honestly think Bono is a "conservative" like Bob Barr or any of those weirdos, in any way shape or form, ever was, or ever will be, then a lot of us would like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.
Of course not Live, he is BROAD-MINDED tho-

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Bono is a "conservative"
I don't think they were saying that as much as they were saying that people's political views do not always line up in one ideological "liberal" or "conservative" lump. I have been called a "liberal" before, and I have been referred to as "a little to the right of Atilla the Hun" as well.

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Bama is on the money here.

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you've got to be kidding. If you honestly think Bono is a "conservative" like Bob Barr or any of those weirdos, in any way shape or form, ever was, or ever will be, then a lot of us would like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.
*wishes somebody would post that picture of Bono and President Bush together just for U2live's enjoyment*

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you've got to be kidding. If you honestly think Bono is a "conservative" like Bob Barr or any of those weirdos, in any way shape or form, ever was, or ever will be, then a lot of us would like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.
Wait a minute...so what you're saying is that in order for someone to like somebody else, they have to be of the same political affiliation and mindset? That has to be the dumbest and most narrow-minded post in this thread. No one said or suggested anything even remotely close to "Bono is a conservative."

Like others have said, it is perfectly acceptable and normal to like someone even if you disagree on a lot of political issues. Friends aren't necessarily the ones that agree with everything you do and say, but the ones who can disagree strongly with some of your beliefs, but still like you anyway. I would hope you don't choose your friends mainly by their political beliefs.

Bono is a pretty liberal-minded, yes. But some things (oh, god, I'm using DB9's word... ) transcend politics. Obviously it did in Jesse Helms case, as Helms is now a strong supporter of the cause Bono has worked so hard to promote.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bono respects and likes Jesse Helms after meeting with him in person. I doubt he's going to be having him over as a dinner guest all that often, but if you think simply because Bono is a liberal he must harbor an automatic dislike for anyone conservative, then I'd like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.
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Wanderer-
That was great!
Can I buy you another cup of coffee?


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Thank You-
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Perfect analogy Popsadie.


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Nice retort, Brother Edge.-w our resident lib-melon


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Old 04-04-2002, 04:51 PM   #44
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Yeah Sicy, your opinion counts too!
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Well, I can't find where, but there was a magazine article (RS?) a while back where Bono was talking to Thom Yorke about his dealings with 'drop the debt'. Yorke scoffed at his meeting with Jessee Helms and another conservative (who was a Radiohead fan) by saying "great, bad people like our music.." (not a direct quote since I couldn't find the article). Bono's response was, ..."just because they are conservative dosen't mean they are bad..." (once again, not a direct quote).
I have a good idea what he is doing. I do this all the time in the forum here, if you've ever really paid close attention. He is never going to openly insult someone, regardless of ideology. If I was working for "Drop the Debt," instead of Bono, and I had to go to an event where Ronald Reagan, my ideological archnemesis ( ), was being honored and I had to make a speech, do you think for a minute I'd go on a tirade on how evil I thought he really was? Not if I ever wanted my debt relief package to go through! So what do you do? You hide your potential contempt in packages of optimism. If I had to make a speech at a Republican conference honoring Ronald Reagan, I'd likely praise him for something ridiculously neutral as "his integrity in the face of adversity," "his struggle for democracy against the Soviet Union," etc. In the case of Bono? "Just because they are conservative, doesn't mean they are bad."

What Thom Yorke stated was completely lacking in diplomacy; if he ever picks up a political cause in Washington, D.C. now, he'll likely be dismissed as a extreme leftist fanatic. Bono is a very smart, very cunning individual, and, of course, so are many Congressional Republicans. They know how to play the game, and, most importantly, they know how to hide any contempt they may have out of respect. Does that necessarily mean that Bono likes Sen. Jesse Helms? Maybe, maybe not. Bono may see the "honorable" senator as like appeasing that cranky, rich uncle that you dislike just so he'll give you what you want. That certainly doesn't mean that, at home and behind closed doors, you don't wish that your irritating rich uncle would drop over and die.

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Anyway, I apologize for straying off track here. I hope you aren't in some liberal denial by believing that Bono really hates the conservatives yet is putting on some front to accomplish his goals. IF this were the case, then how would we know when he was pretending or not? How do we know that he isn't pretending he likes us when he really hates us but loves our $$$ and the great life we have given him?
Very simply, Bono has done enough things to piss off conservatives in the recent years. He's definitely liberal religiously, and he picks up causes that are politically liberal. But he has to get approval from those who are conservative if he ever wants to get things done. He could have done a stunt worthy of "Rage Against the Machine," but, as I'm sure he has learned from his own mistakes when he was younger, those with the power to change your issue will put a deaf ear to you. The lesson through time is that change, ultimately, does come from within. "From within," as has always been, involves lots of games. I have a good feeling that, if everything were said and done and Bono ran for President, he'd have such a socially liberal platform that you'd never know that he'd be the type to get his picture taken Sen. Jesse Helms. It's no different than Sen. Edward Kennedy, the bulwark of Congressional liberalism, cowriting an educational bill with President Bush. The contempt is still there, but progress often makes strange bedfellows.

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