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Old 08-16-2001, 07:15 AM   #16
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melon, you have a very large ego. This is obvious by your drive to prove that you are right. You always have to start a post refuting what others believe if it isn't what you believe or agree with.

Pride does indeed come before the fall.

Just shut up. It's just that simple. In case you haven't noticed, I've been criticizing conservatives for as long as I've been here; and this is, really, the first time I've ever spelled out why. You, on the other hand, offer nothing of any substance to this forum, aside from complaints about what I write. Well, at least, I add to the discussion, which is more than I can say about you.

In case you cannot use your optic nerves, read my first point before I wrote it: 1) this isn't the gospel truth. When someone wholly criticizes my beliefs, I defend them, just as I'm sure you would do the same.

As for 'the fall,' I don't know about you, but I don't take this forum seriously at all. This is probably the least important thing I do, and, actually, I use it for stream-of-consciousness writing (mostly). In fact, I just came up with the greatest novel idea after all of this airing out. You may think I'm falling, dear Simon, but I'm just beginning to rise.

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Old 08-16-2001, 07:41 AM   #17
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My rebuttal, point by point:
1)Point one is, you have admitted, pure unprovable opinion on your part, so there is no way or need to argue it. We all have opinions.
True, true.

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2)You do realize that when you speak of Conservatives who twist the scriptures to justify their hate you are speaking about a VERY VERY SMALL group of people, don't you? Even here in the BIble belt, you don't hear that stuff much. Also, surely as the Hebrew Scholar that you are, you are aware that the term "to know" Biblically means "to have sex with", right?
I am not saying you are this way, 80s, or even 90% of your fellow conservatives. The problem is is that those 10% fanatics weald great power in the Legislature, several PACs, and in running high-profile religious organizations. It is this 10% that makes me violently ill.

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3)I'm sorry, but Point 3 is just silly. To claim that conservative support of capitalism is destroying the world is completely baseless and unsupportd by facts.
I just see it as hypocritical from my point of view. Conservatives in the 1920s and the 1980s (coincidentally, both fundamentalist revivals) were on the sides of those who amassed large fortunes and supported laissez-faire capitalism, often at the expense of the working class. It's only ironic that it was those who labelled themselves as 'religious' were the ones being the biggest bastards.

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4)You couldn't be further from the truth, Melon. In fact, conservatives fight for freedom for everyone. Does your anger have anything to do with the fact that most conservatives don't believe in legalizing gay marriage?
My anger goes into the fact that conservatives are the ones fighting against adding them to non-discrimination laws. Conservatives may deem it unnecessary, but courts have, time and time again, shown that they are not protected against discrimination. Just imagine now if you were fired from your job because you were heterosexual? It's perfectly legal, mind you. In fact, I think I will do it a few dozen times in my own company. Reason fired will be listed as 'I just didn't like the heterosexual.'

Also, forget marriage in the moral term. That's wholly up to you and your church. I'm talking the legal rights in marriage. In fact, I think we should abolish all civil marriage and just have everyone be able to sign 'domestic partnership' contracts. Like a 'marriage license,' you could use it in conjunction with a wedding ceremony--whether in a church or not--or you can just be able to sign it. Any two consenting adults should be able to sign it. It could be used in a case of a person and a caregiver, whereupon the caregiver could assume the same rights as a 'spouse' if you would like to say. This is different than 'power of attorney,' which would force the person to terminate their own rights and surrender them all to the caregiver. Of course, this could work in the case of homosexuals or heterosexuals. Hence, conservatives won't have to worry about it being 'marriage'--it will just be a legal status. 'Marriage' will finally be relegated to a fully religious ceremony, which is what I think it should have been all along.

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5)This is another one that is just plain silly. What makes you think that the "Satan" post was deleted because Conservatives were upset? If that were the case, wouldn't all the anti-George W. Bush posts have been deleted also? Also, you seem to forget that much of that Satan post was against New World Order (Globalism at its extreme), which is a very liberally-supported issue.
Well, I would disagree. Globalism is the target of destruction for liberals--remember all the WTO protests? It's only ironic, because I do know that, historically, conservatives were isolationist! But there is a major difference: conservatives insist on isolationism on the political front, while having economic globalism--hence, free trade. Liberals are isolationist on the economic front, only because we know that American jobs are lost when company X closes their plant in the U.S. and moves to the Phillipines, where wages are only a small fraction of what an American would make. Liberals are globalists on the political arena, insisting that the U.S. take an active role in diplomacy--i.e., peace talks, U.N., etc.

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6)Some of the founding fathers were indeed followers of "new age" religion, but you can hardly say "most". Many were Christians. Most of the others, while not Christian in the sense that God takes an active part in our lives, were at least Believers in God, who followed the Deism, which was a popular belief of the day that the world is like a clock that God winds up and watches wind down, w/out taking an active role. But teh belief in God is still there. And believe me, I studied these things in college, so I priobably know as much about it as you.
Well, I am glad you, at least, know what I'm talking about. However, I would hardly call 'Deism' a Christian religion. I don't think they even believed in Jesus or the Bible. I do agree that the general populace was still Christian, but my argument, overall, was that our founding fathers did not intend for a Christian state, whether overt or latent. Agree or disagree, but they did agree with the current interpretation of separation of church and state, contrary to Pat Robertson's argument that it was only a 'liberal lie.'

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7)I believed in much of what Mr. Nugent wrote.
That is, of course, a matter of opinion.

Thanks for keeping this civil.

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Old 08-16-2001, 12:12 PM   #18
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Originally posted by melon: As for 'the fall,' I don't know about you, but I don't take this forum seriously at all. This is probably the least important thing I do, and, actually, I use it for stream-of-consciousness writing (mostly).
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If you didn't take this forum seriously, you wouldn't take as much time proving your point on EVERY issue that comes this way. The homosexual issue several months ago was something that you took very seriously evidenced by your hate for Quick Vick and the 2,000 word posts you posted attempting to prove your point on the issue.

How are you beginning to 'rise', by the way and what is your 'great' novel idea?

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Old 08-16-2001, 01:39 PM   #19
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Well Conservatives invented alarm clocks, so there you go.

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Old 08-17-2001, 06:25 AM   #21
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If you didn't take this forum seriously, you wouldn't take as much time proving your point on EVERY issue that comes this way. The homosexual issue several months ago was something that you took very seriously evidenced by your hate for Quick Vick and the 2,000 word posts you posted attempting to prove your point on the issue.
I was / still am studying the Bible and it's original language. It was a game to me; simply a way for me to put my new knowledge to test. Some people, for kicks, get drunk, get in random fights, play video games, etc. My kicks are arguing the shit out of people.

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How are you beginning to 'rise', by the way and what is your 'great' novel idea?
It's none of your business. The last thing I need is for my ideas to be stolen.

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Personally, I understand the pleasure Melon takes in arguing a point of view. I don't think there's anything wrong with it in a forum like this. I'm not as argumentative like this in my daily life with people I actually personally interct with. I will argue if I think it's important enough, but I don't go around making sure everyone knows my opinion all the time in real life.

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Old 08-17-2001, 09:34 PM   #23
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Are you at all concerned with the influence of big business over the conservative and republican parties?

I have to agree, the 'in theory' smaller government is best, but it just does not work in a society that is overrun with big business. In France, they have a government that demands that companies give their employees five weeks of vacation per year, because they know that BIG BUSINESS would never grant simple human dignities to human beings if they were not forced to. If it were up to them, everyone would be working for 30 cents an hour...in a sweat shop. So while 'small government' seems like a great idea, it is not for the benefit of 99% of the people living on the planet earth.

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