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Old 01-30-2003, 09:29 PM   #1
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I bummed about Nelson.

Nelson Mandela is saying some untoward things about the USA and GW, the day after President Bush proposed 15 billions dollars to the continent where he and his countrymen reside.
He even went to the race card.
Uncool.
Not righteous.

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ps- somebody post the article, im too bummed...
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Old 01-30-2003, 09:39 PM   #2
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JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (CNN) --Former South African president Nelson Mandela has slammed the U.S. stance on Iraq, saying that "one power with a president who has no foresight, who cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust."

Speaking at the International Women's Forum, Mandela said "if there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America."

Mandela said U.S. President George W. Bush covets the oil in Iraq "because Iraq produces 64 percent of the oil in the world. What Bush wants is to get hold of that oil." In fact Iraq contributes to only 5 percent of world oil exports.

The Bush administration is threatening military action if Iraq does not account for weapons of mass destruction and fully cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors.

Receiving applause for his comments, Mandela said Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair are "undermining" past work of the United Nations.

"They do not care. Is it because the secretary-general of the United Nations is now a black man?" said Mandela, referring to Kofi Annan, who is from Ghana.

Blair is expected to discuss the issue of Iraq when he meets with South African President Thabo Mbeki in London Saturday, a day after the British leader's meeting with Bush.

Mandela said he would support without reservation any action agreed upon by the United Nations against Iraq, which Bush and Blair say has weapons of mass destruction and is a sponsor of terror groups, including Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network. (Full story)

Nobel Peace Laureate Mandela, 84, has spoken out many times against Bush's stance, and South Africa's close ties with Libya and Cuba irked Washington during Mandela's own presidency.

In reaction to Mandela's comments, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said Bush was grateful to the many European leaders who "obviously think differently."

"The president will understand there are going to be people who are more comfortable doing nothing about a growing menace that could turn into a holocaust. He respects people who differ with him. He will do what he thinks is right and necessary to protect our country," Fleischer said.
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He called Mr Cheney a "dinosaur" and an "arch-conservative" who does not want Mr Bush "to belong to the modern age."

Mr Mandela recalled that Mr Cheney had been opposed to his release from prison.
this bummed out nelson, ya think.

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Wednesday, 11 September, 2002, 11:31 GMT 12:31 UK
US threatens world peace, says Mandela
One of the world's most respected statesmen, Nelson Mandela, has condemned United States intervention in the Middle East as "a threat to world peace".
In an interview with the US magazine, Newsweek published on Wednesday, the former South African president repeated his call for President George Bush not to launch attacks on Iraq.


Mandela on the US
Bush motivated by arms sales and oil
Dick Cheney a 'dinosaur'
US responsible for Iran's Islamic revolution
US action led to Taleban


He said that Mr Bush was trying to please the American arms and oil industries.

And Mr Mandela, 84, called some of Mr Bush's senior advisers, including Vice President Dick Cheney "dinosaurs".

He said that the United States' backing for a coup by the Shah of Iran in 1953 had led to that country's Islamic revolution in 1979.

On Afghanistan, Mr Mandela said that US support for the mujahideen (including Osama Bin Laden) against the Soviet Union and its refusal to work with the United Nations after the Soviet withdrawal led to the Taleban taking power.

"If you look at those matters, you will come to the conclusion that the attitude of the United States of America is a threat to world peace," he said.

No evidence

Mr Mandela said that the US was clearly afraid of losing a vote in the United Nations Security Council.




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" Israel has weapons of mass destruction. Nobody mentions that "
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Nelson Mandela


"It is clearly a decision that is motivated by George W Bush's desire to please the arms and oil industries in the United States of America," he said.

He said that no evidence had been presented to support the claim that Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction, while former UN weapons inspector in Baghdad Scott Ritter has said there is no such evidence.

"But what we know is that Israel has weapons of mass destruction. Nobody mentions that," he said.

The former South African leader made it clear that the only member of the Bush team he respects is Colin Powell.

He called Mr Cheney a "dinosaur" and an "arch-conservative" who does not want Mr Bush "to belong to the modern age."

Mr Mandela recalled that Mr Cheney had been opposed to his release from prison.
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Normal underneath it all....

If you take Mandela's words away, the meaning is still there. And I agree that the US is threatening world peace. Who hasn't? But if this is carried out.....there could be grave consequences. I may be a citizen of this country and grateful for that, but I feel no loyalty to its actions.
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i dunno.
2 ques should b asked here..

1- if clinton -a good friend of mandela's, were now president and the circumstances were the same, would mr mandela have wrote the same article after bill c just pledged 15 billion?

2- i think infering that cuz kofi is black the head of the u.n., gw is going into iraq is waay off base, inaccurate and inflamitory, dont the rest of u?

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I disagree with Mandela's suspicions of Bush's motives, and I am truly disappointed in him playing the race card and introducing the word "holocaust" in this conflict. I wonder what Congressman Tom Lantos, the Democrat from California, will say of this? He survived the Holocaust of World War II.

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Give me a break, holocaust is nothing new. The term is in no way exclusive to what happened to the Jews in WWII.

During the cold war, the threat of 'nuclear holocaust' was on the tip of alot of people's tongues.

In addition the term used for what happened in WWII is generally capitalized, i.e. "Holocaust".

Good for Mandela. He asked questions racists would rather you turned a blind eye to. Much easier to pretend it doesn't exist than deal with it straight on.

Good for Mandela.
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i say good for mandela, but he would have been better off not mentioning anything to do with race. well said, otherwise.
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i dunno.
2 ques should b asked here..

1- if clinton -a good friend of mandela's, were now president and the circumstances were the same, would mr mandela have wrote the same article after bill c just pledged 15 billion?
That question is irrevelant since Clinton can't serve three terms in a row, which I'm sure you know...
The circumstances will never be the same as they are now, even if he were re-elected in the future.
Which will never happen.
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i say good for mandela, but he would have been better off not mentioning anything to do with race. well said, otherwise.
exactly.
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I have never heard that Cheney was opposed to Mandela's release.

Does anyone have a source to confirm that?

I can't imagine why on earth he would have been

I am also truly disappointed in Mandela for introducing race into this.
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I too am disappointed in Mandela bringing race in to this.

As for Cheney, not sure on that one. Maybe he was breaking the sanctions on South Africa to do business there. Maybe he thought Mandela would disrupt his work in the country. don't know.
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Anybody else particularly disturbed by the fact that 64 is much greater than 5? (5% is also approximately how much of the US's oil imports come from Iraq. Or least it was in 2002, according to http://www.ott.doe.gov/facts/archives/fotw246.shtml )

If he meant to say that Iraq has much more oil than that in reserve, that's what he should have said.

As Bernard Baruch once said, "every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts."
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