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Old 10-24-2006, 04:15 PM   #1
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I Ask The Males Here

Reading this today, I wondered what you all think of the men on this list and if they fit the criteria of men who you feel best represent the male gender and the qualities you feel men should possess and represent. If not (and even if they do), name at least five who you would choose who are not on this list and why you would choose them. They don't have to be world famous or famous at all.

http://www.askmen.com/specials/2006_top_49/index.html

And then name at least five WOMEN who best represent the female gender for you and the qualities that females should possess and represent and why you would choose them.

Women of FYM can play along too and make their own lists if they choose But I am interested to see what the males have to say.
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Old 10-24-2006, 07:11 PM   #2
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If we were to choose 5 women on qualities we admire in them, our choice is obviously going to be exclusive to something superficial.
On that note I believe my first choice will be Jessica Alba and then Cameron Diaz in 1994.
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Old 10-24-2006, 08:17 PM   #3
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I think the qualities that one should possess to be a good human are the same that would qualify one to best represent their gender. To narrow it down to such a small list is hard, I'll have to come back to that.
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For some reason I think I'm going to be impressed with BVS's list.
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Old 10-24-2006, 08:58 PM   #5
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The list was okay. I would have added...

- Stephen Hawking
- Barack Obama
- John McCain
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Old 10-24-2006, 09:28 PM   #6
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Is ther a complete list without having to go through the website page after page?
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I couldn't find one, unfortunately
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i would Say...

Ecko
Locke
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Benjamin
Hurley
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You're really on a LOST kick aren't you, dread?
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I did click through the entire list. I didn't make a list as I went through, however. I'll just say Bono, Anderson Cooper and Jon Stewart made the list (yay!) as well as Aston Kutcher, Justin Timberlake and Rupert Murdoch (WTF?)

The only thing they seemed to all have in common is they are all filthy rich. The only ones who weren't household names were business moguls.

I like the point BVS made. If I were to come up with a list, I would prefer to make it five men and five women who best represent the human race rather than their gender. Internal qualities like compassion, courage and intellect aren't exclusive to any one gender.
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Bode Miller
Steve Carrell
Frank Netter


just a few.
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When I think of "men" that I seek to emulate, they tend to be down to earth, strong and unassuming men that don't ask for things unless absolutley necessary. They take responsibility for choices they've made. The want to make the world better in their own way. They don't judge their success by how much money they've made. They understand that patience is power.

No one on that list is someone I'd "look up to." I can't take someone that has a PR team serious, and I'm pretty sure everyone on that list has one. Maybe I'm not getting the whole idea of the list, but not one military figure? Not one politician?

And I look for the same qualities in women.
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The only thing they seemed to all have in common is they are all filthy rich. The only ones who weren't household names were business moguls.
Yep. And conspicuously missing from the list were men who are famous for their humanitarian or intellectual achievements alone (let's face it, that's not why everyone knows who Bono and Clooney are). Also, there was only one politician (which I might be inclined to laugh off as "That figures"--except for the fact that many men who did make the list hardly seem more noteworthy than plenty of politicians) and, outside of entertainers, only one person (a multimillionaire architect) who might be described as an "artist."

But most lists of this type I've seen, as well as similar lists of women (e.g., Esquire's "Women We Love") have the same limitation--they're overwhelmingly dominated by celebrity entertainers (actors/actresses, pop stars) and other media personalities, with a handful of elite athletes and executive types (mostly of the media mogul variety) thrown in for good measure. That's not really surprising though--it's just the reality of what makes someone a "household name" in our society.
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I like the point BVS made. If I were to come up with a list, I would prefer to make it five men and five women who best represent the human race rather than their gender. Internal qualities like compassion, courage and intellect aren't exclusive to any one gender.
Yeah...I tend to be wary of the whole premise behind lists like this (to the extent that I understand what, in fact, the premise is) because even if their intent is to diversify, inevitably they simultaneously wind up reinforcing the idea that there's some specific way people of a particular gender (or whatever other category) ought to be.

But actually even a list of what people or qualities "best represent" the human race might have the same problem. Everyone has their own particular excellence, and in real life few people are well-rounded enough to embody more than one or two of these qualities to a degree that's likely to evoke admiration or inspiration in much of anyone. My little sister (well, not so little anymore, lol) remarked to me recently that she turns to a different one of us (meaning her siblings) depending on which kind of support and camaraderie she's most wanting--our oldest brother when she needs a reassuring shoulder to cry on (or a good sidesplitting laugh), the next oldest brother when she needs a motivating pep talk, me when she wants considered advice on a complicated personal situation, and my younger brother (very close to her in age) when she needs the advice of someone who understands exactly how she personally reacts to things and can accurately warn her which mistakes she's most likely to make. In no way though was she suggesting that some of us are somehow more representative of which qualities you'd want in a sibling than others; it was just an observation that we're all compassionate and helpful in different ways.

It's true there are certain qualities (sensitivity, decisiveness, etc.) which are stereotypically associated with one sex or another, and it's probably also true that differential socialization *tends to* make those associations self-fulfilling. But obviously not all women are sensitive, not all men are decisive, and it's not like those who aren't must therefore be a discredit to their gender in some way; they can and probably do excel in some other quality that may or may not be seen as "best representing" their sex.
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Old 10-25-2006, 12:00 AM   #14
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Ecko
Locke
Sawyer
Benjamin
Hurley
Dang, Jack didn't even make the list.

He kinda tries too hard doesn't he?

Mrs. S, this is an interesting topic. I will return with my list later.
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I could make up my top ten, but are these men we are attracted to, or just people-we-admire-for-various-reasons-that-happen-to-be-men?
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