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Old 04-25-2005, 04:18 PM   #31
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I'd be interested in knowing what about those three are "nutty."
Okay...maybe someone else can answer my question then. What makes Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry "nutty"? Oh yes...they're evil "liberals," but what does that mean? Does anyone know what that even means?

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You always show diagrams from this site yet they don't exactly back up your claims. I don't see "hard-core liberal" from that diagram. He's at 50 in a scale that goes to 100.
DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE LINK.

Did you even BOTHER to click on the link? I didn't think so. You may want to assure yourself next time.
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he is left of the center, about a 70 on that chart.

and that's what you and the site say, i dont' think that's a national consensus. also, our definitions of "left wing" in the US tend to be skewed much further to the right than in the rest of the west. finally, he is still nowhere near as left as the "nuts" described in the article are to the right.

it's another false dichotomy, like saying CNN is as liberal as Fox News is as conservative.

(and CNN is not liberal)
He certainly isn't a "moderate." He's as liberal as Alan Keyes is conservative. Not to mention, my LEAST favorite senator. Period.
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Okay...maybe someone else can answer my question then. What makes Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry "nutty"? Oh yes...they're evil "liberals," but what does that mean? Does anyone know what that even means?

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the word is dead, divorced eintirely from meaning, and used as a slur by some conservatives that has a kind of Hanoi Jane connotation.

it's also a euphamism for "gay." like "activist judges." and "culture of life."

i wish the GOP could just say that they are fueled by homophobia today like Nixon was fueled by racism in 1968.
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Okay...maybe someone else can answer my question then. What makes Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry "nutty"? Oh yes...they're evil "liberals," but what does that mean? Does anyone know what that even means?

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Kerry and Clinton can be considered moderates I suppose. But Ted Kennedy? No way in hell.
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He certainly isn't a "moderate." He's as liberal as Alan Keyes is conservative. Not to mention, my LEAST favorite senator. Period.


no. way.

Ted Kennedy would never throw his daughter out of the house for being ... i don't know, a born-again evangelical christian.

alan keyes tossed his ivy leage daughter out of the house for being a lesbian.
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Kerry and Clinton can be considered moderates I suppose. But Ted Kennedy? No way in hell.
Forget "liberal." Forget "moderate." Forget all these meaningless labels.

Name specific things that Kerry, Clinton, and/or Kennedy have done to warrant being called "nutty."

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I didn't suggest the term "nutty", so I'll leave that up to 80sU2isBest.
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DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE LINK.

Did you even BOTHER to click on the link? I didn't think so. You may want to assure yourself next time.
Yes clicked on it and my response was about how inaccurate and biased the website is.

Who's assured?
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no. way.

Ted Kennedy would never throw his daughter out of the house for being ... i don't know, a born-again evangelical christian.

alan keyes tossed his ivy leage daughter out of the house for being a lesbian.
And that's jacked up as all hell, referring to Alan Keyes.

http://www.issues2000.org/Alan_Keyes.htm
http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Ted_Kennedy.htm

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Yes clicked on it and my response was about how inaccurate and biased the website is.

Who's assured?
BS. How is it biased? Did a right-wing think tank make it up?
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BS. How is it biased? Did a right-wing think tank make it up?
No just their descriptions and explanations of bills is very obvious. But just look at their labels.

Kennedy and Tom Delay are almost exactly on the same place in the grid except on opposite sides.

Tom gets "libertarian-leaning conservative" whereas Kennendy gets "hardcore liberal". Labels say a lot! Come on.
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No just their descriptions and explanations of bills is very obvious. But just look at their labels.

Kennedy and Tom Delay are almost exactly on the same place in the grid except on opposite sides.

Tom gets "libertarian-leaning conservative" whereas Kennendy gets "hardcore liberal". Labels say a lot! Come on.
Exactly the same if you're talking another country. Kennedy is one of the most liberal senators today, and his whole "Iraq = Vietnam" concept is so unfounded you want to drop a trash can on his head.
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Exactly the same if you're talking another country. Kennedy is one of the most liberal senators today, and his whole "Iraq = Vietnam" concept is so unfounded you want to drop a trash can on his head.
And that just shows your bias and not the true political spectrum.
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Forget "liberal." Forget "moderate." Forget all these meaningless labels.

Name specific things that Kerry, Clinton, and/or Kennedy have done to warrant being called "nutty."

Do I have any takers?

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Well one of the main "nutty" things about Hilary is her idea that "it takes a village to raise a child". If she simply meant that many people will have an influence on children, that would be OK. But I don't think that's what she's saying; I think she's saying that everyone in a society has a hand in raising our children; ie: imparting moral values, etc. And that's nutty to me. If I had children, I'd want no one raising my child in that way but me. That's just one thing about Hilary. I actually think she's more evil than simply "nutty".

I believe Ted Kennedy is a raving lunatic who often makes absurd accusations, such as accusing DeLay of calling for violence against the Schiavo judges. Kennedy likes to twist things in order to stir up his constituency's anger.

I believe John Kerry is a communist sympathizer who, during the Vietnam War, visited with leaders of the commuinist Vietnamese leadership party against the wishes of his own government and while there kowtowed to their wishes and portrayed the American soldiers as barbaric miscreants. He publically proclaimed that attrocities in Vietnam by American Soldiers were much much more common than they actually were. I believe that his actions were used by the North Vietnamese to fuel their hatred of, mistreatment of, and even execution of American POW.
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