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Old 04-25-2005, 08:56 AM   #16
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Yeah, these people are a bit out there and way over the top.
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Old 04-25-2005, 10:29 AM   #17
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I think people always compare fanatics with Nazis because they are both intolerant and aggressive. However, the Nazis were occultists who believed that they were direct descendants of Atlantis whose blood needed to be purified so that they could become Gods again. Technically, occultism is a cult--but a cult and a fundamentalist of any faith is equally dangerous if they preach intolerance, try to convert you, or threaten you if you don't share the same faith. Catholics during the Inquisition days were no less fanatical, dangerous and intolerant.

Any kind of heirarchy needs to be watched closely for abuse of power, especially a military one.

Re: the US is Babylon--we still have more individuality here than anywhere else in the world. It's a huge strength against that kind of total absolutism.
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Old 04-25-2005, 01:21 PM   #18
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That's fine, but I'm also tired of these kind of Christians condemning everyone who disagrees with them as "going to hell" or decrying them as "relativists," as if they have "loose morality" if they aren't an arch-conservative. I mean, if they want to spark an "absolute truth" argument, then fine. I'm right. They're wrong. End of discussion.

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I am tired of that as well. When I said that I'm tired of people calling all conservatives Nazis, I didn't mean to imply that I agree with said conservatives.
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Old 04-25-2005, 01:24 PM   #19
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I think people always compare fanatics with Nazis because they are both intolerant and aggressive. However, the Nazis were occultists who believed that they were direct descendants of Atlantis whose blood needed to be purified so that they could become Gods again. Technically, occultism is a cult--but a cult and a fundamentalist of any faith is equally dangerous if they preach intolerance, try to convert you, or threaten you if you don't share the same faith. Catholics during the Inquisition days were no less fanatical, dangerous and intolerant.

Any kind of heirarchy needs to be watched closely for abuse of power, especially a military one.

Re: the US is Babylon--we still have more individuality here than anywhere else in the world. It's a huge strength against that kind of total absolutism.

I agree, but people seem to be throwing around the term all over the place which 1. makes people ignore any credible arguments that they have 2. overuse tends to lessen the term's meaning IMO.
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Old 04-25-2005, 01:32 PM   #20
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Living in a country that has gone the other way over the past thirty years (i.e. from near-theocracy to secular country, and no, the change of Pope won't make a damn difference in my no-so-humble opinion) I find these kinds of developments in America bizarre.
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These people are crazy. It's scary that people this nutty have this much power.
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I personally think it's scary that people as nutty as Ted Kennedy, Hilary Clinton and John Kerry have any power.

So I guess being scared of nuts is relative.
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I personally think it's scary that people as nutty as Ted Kennedy, Hilary Clinton and John Kerry have any power.

So I guess being scared of nuts is relative.


it is hugely false to characterize these center-left politicians, who are very mainstream in most of their views, as bieng the left-wing equivalent counterparts to those depicted in the article.
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Old 04-25-2005, 02:02 PM   #24
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I personally think it's scary that people as nutty as Ted Kennedy, Hilary Clinton and John Kerry have any power.
I'd be interested in knowing what about those three are "nutty."

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It was Mel Gibson in a scene from the film "We Were Soldiers" addressing his troops on the eve of battle. "We are moving into the valley of the shadow of death," he said solemnly. "Where you will watch the back of the man next to you, as he will watch yours, and you won't care what color he is, or by what name he calls his God."

I love what he said. this is how people should act towards each other.
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it is hugely false to characterize these center-left politicians, who are very mainstream in most of their views, as bieng the left-wing equivalent counterparts to those depicted in the article.
I don't see Ted Kennedy as "left of center", neither does this site:


"Ted Kennedy is a Hard-Core Liberal."

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Ted_Kennedy.htm
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I don't see Ted Kennedy as "left of center", neither does this site:


"Ted Kennedy is a Hard-Core Liberal."

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Ted_Kennedy.htm



he is left of the center, about a 70 on that chart.

and that's what you and the site say, i dont' think that's a national consensus. also, our definitions of "left wing" in the US tend to be skewed much further to the right than in the rest of the west. finally, he is still nowhere near as left as the "nuts" described in the article are to the right.

it's another false dichotomy, like saying CNN is as liberal as Fox News is as conservative.

(and CNN is not liberal)
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I personally think it's scary that people as nutty as Ted Kennedy, Hilary Clinton and John Kerry have any power.

So I guess being scared of nuts is relative.
I think of these people as centrists. They're not exactly socialists. Leftist politicians in Canada and Europe are a hell of alot more leftist in their views than are our avowed "liberals". So yes, "nutty" is a relative term. It depends on what your point of view is.
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I don't see Ted Kennedy as "left of center", neither does this site:


"Ted Kennedy is a Hard-Core Liberal."

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Ted_Kennedy.htm
You always show diagrams from this site yet they don't exactly back up your claims. I don't see "hard-core liberal" from that diagram. He's at 50 in a scale that goes to 100.
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I grew up an evangelical and nothing scares me more than the political power of the evangelical church.
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