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Old 10-31-2001, 06:06 PM   #46
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Spiral_Staircase,

Yup. I'm from Maine all right. More specifically I was born in Dover-Foxcroft and grew up in Dexter. I moved to Seattle after college though.

It's always nice to meet a U2 fan with a connection to Maine because I sure don't remember many of them when I grew up there. I remember playing the Joshua Tree my senior year in high school and no one knowing who it was. Lots of "I think I've heard that with or without you song" kind of comments.
My classmates thought it was weird music. It was just a couple of weeks before the release of Achtung Baby. You should have seen the looks I got when I started playing Achtung Baby and Nevermind in front of my friends. Their idea of alternative music was Ozzie and Metallica.

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80's,

Perhaps my "genial contempt" comment was a bit too much. For what it's worth my mother hates hunting although she does eat some meat and one of my closest friends is a vegan. (Apparently drinking milk and eating cheese is nearly as bad as killing an animal. Cow slavery at its worst.)

It is literally impossible to explain the way I feel when I go hunting. It's a unique experience and is an entirely different way of experiencing the world, the outdoors and ones place in it. That's a woefully inadequate way of describing my feelings but anyone who laughs at or dismisses what I am saying without having experienced a hunting culture or taken part in a hunt is responding out of ignorance. I deer hunted every fall from the age of ten to my 24th birthday but I only shot one deer. (I passed up the oppurtunity to shoot several other deer for a variety of reasons including not wanting to kill an animal on a particular day.)
If a hunters enjoyment comes from killing animals alone why wasn't I having a miserable time all those years?

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To back up a bit and give y'all my serious position on this whole debate, I agree with Melon.

I do not hunt, have never hunted (my family never even owned guns), and I don't plan to hunt, but I support the right to and believe in the modern necessity to hunt. It IS something of a sport in the type of skill and marksmanship it requires, but it is not a typical sport in that it is not usually competitive (although in Dove Shoots and such it IS competitive).

There is a 45,000 acre Wildlife Management Area below my neighborhood and it is full of deer and turkey. Anyone who says that this area has deer overpopulation due to "encroaching development" is wrong because the wilderness far outweighs the developed areas. The "management" concept involves regulated hunting in the area, and that doesn't even include the private clubs that are NOT within the W.M.A. We rarely see dead deer carcasses on the road here, but we DO see them in areas where hunting is prohibited.

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If a hunters enjoyment comes from killing animals alone why wasn't I having a miserable time all those years?

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I'm not saying a hunter's enjoyment comes from killing alone. What I'm trying to figure out is why people enjoy it. The "communing with nature" part I can understand. I can even understand the joy of knowing that you've tracked something down. I used to work patrol in a police dapartment, and chasing down crooks on foot and in a vehicle did have a certain adrenalin rush to it. And yet, if that's what people enjoy about it, why go the extra step and kill the animal? Isn't it enough for someone to know that he had the skills to get the animal if he wanted?

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There is somehting new where you can shoot the animal with a paintball gun or something like that. I wouldnt approve of that either, but it is certainly prefereable to murder. Also, you can always shoot them with a camera. Tons of people enjoy nature and camping and geting away from it all, being with your friends, etc. I love it too, i'd take walks through the woods all the time if there were any near here.
This is why hunters arguments that it isnt all about the killing doesnt make sense. Perhaps it isnt just the killing but the idea that you could kill if you wanted to that excites them so much. If thats it, fine, bring along your little weapon, just dont use it.

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There is somehting new where you can shoot the animal with a paintball gun or something like that. I wouldnt approve of that either, but it is certainly prefereable to murder.
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Good lord! Thats as good as the fry Osama site! Fun Fun Fun!
Well i guess i'll do this instead of mugging trick or treaters...not many of them out tonight anyways. Bummer.

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80s, hunting can be looked as a sport as any other sport. people always trying to do better than the other but this is in how many points the buck has that they kill, the more the better. so their is aspects of sport involved in this as any other sport and shooting a gun is not something anyone can do, it does require skill and practice and like fishing, hunting requires a lot of patience. Hunters stay in one spot waiting for the deer to come and then to get into a position where the deer can be shot from and killed. Also hunting is a get together of sorts for friends.

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I can see the necessity of hunting for some people but I will NEVER agree with it.
something about the nature of hunting does not sit well with me, I really can't take it. it's one thing humanely slaughtering animals (which doesn't happen either) for food but there's just something so cold-blooded about actual hunting. it's strange I don't have as much of a problem with it when it's other animals that are doing the hunting, possibly because they do not have the thought processes we as humans do but..

I should really be a vegetarian...me is a major hypocrite

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Well, many of them decapitate it and hang the bloody head on their walls, take photos of themselves with the corpse, skin in and use the skin to"decorate" their gorey homes, etc. Its just pointless and sickening to kill for the sheer fun of it.
Their was this guy on some court room show recently, who murdered this older couples beloved golden retrievers. He said he killed them because he saw them going after ducks and he was "Concerned about the wildlife". And yet, he blew it when he told the judge he had a "High powered rifle" that he used to go huntin with the judge said something like "You're so concerned about the wildlife yet you go out and kill them yourself???" He got all wide eyed and stammered and then said he only did it to feed his family, then tried to drag his children into the whole thing and hide behind them as a defense. This isnt 1492 though, and the judge didnt buy it.
what a bastard.

at my old house my dog used to escape and bring back the entrails from gutted deer, and then the legs, one by one.
so yes, it does happen, there is a lot that goes to waste..
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I should really be a vegetarian...me is a major hypocrite
Just because you don't agree with unncessary hunting and yet still eat meat doesn't make you a hypocrite. You're not saying it's wrong to eat meat. You just don't understand why people go hunting when there's already meat they can buy.
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