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Old 12-20-2002, 07:05 PM   #31
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Any effort to enforce immigration laws are typically criticized as racist.
because quite some things are falsely labelled as racism that doesn't mean that there is no truth in any of the claims

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For one they called on only males who were born in these 20 or so countries.
I don't think any of us are wondering whether Canada, Germany or France were one of those countries

they were targetting people from the Middle East because they are potential terrorist
that is a racist point of view no matter which way you look at it


personally I wouldn't be surprised if at one point actions like this one will lead to more trouble
if you treat a certain group of people as criminals long enough then at one point they are going to act like criminals since they have got nothing to lose anyway
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Old 12-20-2002, 07:19 PM   #32
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Let's see....

We have laws.....for a reason last I knew.
We failed miserably pre-9/11 at enforcing them.
We are enforcing them now........

I would say...this sounds good to me.

And for the people who are having difficulties with this I am sorry....You are not a citizen of this country. We have laws. While in this country you should expect them to be enforced especially since 9/11. If you fail to obey them, suffer the price.

Salome....that is not racist. Racism is the belief that a group is superior to another because of race. We do not claim this. If you want to call it prejudiced, the definition of prejudice included the lines unfounded or without cause. We have cause. Ten years of terror against our country.

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Old 12-20-2002, 07:35 PM   #33
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Why some might consider it racist? Prior to Sept. 11, the biggest terrorist attack was Oklahoma City.
The U. S. Government did not round up U. S. veterans, (McViegh and Nichols were/are vets) and detain them for questioning.
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Well, I know what you are trying to say....

But veterans most likely are citizens. Different set of rules.

As for your point, it is quite wrong....they did go after militia groups....

In April 1997 two years after the bombings as reported on the PBS Program Newshour with Jim Lehrer:

They reported that last year across 22 states 131 anti-government extremists were arrested and prosecuted in 36 cases of crime that included bank robberies, bombings, illegal possession of weapons, and fraud, such as filing illegal leanings on the property of public officials.

So please....do not pretend to say our governement did nothing after Oklahoma City.
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i also stick by the idea of earlier statement re- dildos and dirty nukes in the garage of somebody's cousin.. (statement/idea)....

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or volunteer information to stay in the country....

OK so let me get htis straight you think it is allright if a gov'y locks people up for not having papers in order then interogate, or as you say "volunteer info", them and try to make them give info up about someone that knows a guy who knows a guy. Isnt this something that makes you think. They could lock up all Irish people and say we will send you back unless you tell us someone who is in the IRA. If you were to ever go to a middle-east country you would probably learn quickly that everyone knows someone who is into some sort of illegal activity. So should we just loc every foriegner and threaten them with deportation until they give us info!?

If they were to do this with a blanket effect, ie. Mexicans or Asains, then i could see it but this is pure racial profiling. This is about terrorism not immigrantion. Say ti for what its worth. You are targeting people of certain race. I guarentee you there are more Mexians or S.A. that are illegal then middle eastern.

Remember back a few months ago when the Canadian Gov't sent a warning to all M.E. people in Canada to be careful of going to the States? And some of you got all pissed. Well this is a perfect example!!
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Are any of you offended by the investigation and arrest of the terrorist cell now known as "the Buffalo Six"?
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Old 12-21-2002, 04:47 AM   #37
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personally I wouldn't be surprised if at one point actions like this one will lead to more trouble
if you treat a certain group of people as criminals long enough then at one point they are going to act like criminals since they have got nothing to lose anyway
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Salome....that is not racist. Racism is the belief that a group is superior to another because of race. We do not claim this. If you want to call it prejudiced, the definition of prejudice included the lines unfounded or without cause. We have cause. Ten years of terror against our country.
ah, is it so
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Are any of you offended by the investigation and arrest of the terrorist cell now known as "the Buffalo Six"?
No, but the Hitlist of Bush does.
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Would ou please define "the Hiltlist of Bush"? Thank you.

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No, but the Hitlist of Bush does.


No disrespect but...What are you talking about?


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No disrespect but...What are you talking about?


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Oops, sorry. I did not meant this as a smartass remark. It is a big story here in the Netherlands. It is about the approval of Bush that give the CIA the right to kill people, who are suposed to be terrorists, anywhere on the world . ( i saw this on the NY post website ) The Bush hitlist.
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Oops, sorry. I did not meant this as a smartass remark. It is a big story here in the Netherlands. It is about the approval of Bush that give the CIA the right to kill people, who are suposed to be terrorists, anywhere on the world . ( i saw this on the NY post website ) The Bush hitlist.
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what would u have us do?
send the terrorists to counseling?.

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[B]And for the people who are having difficulties with this I am sorry....You are not a citizen of this country. We have laws. While in this country you should expect them to be enforced especially since 9/11. If you fail to obey them, suffer the price.

Salome....that is not racist. Racism is the belief that a group is superior to another because of race. We do not claim this. If you want to call it prejudiced, the definition of prejudice included the lines unfounded or without cause. We have cause. Ten years of terror against our country.
Dreadsox,
Do you mean to say people who aren't US citizens shouldn't be allowed to criticise the laws of the US? What would you say if you were told not to criticise Iraq, for example, because you're not an Iraqi citizen.

And in my opinion, when you treat the citizens of certain countries differently because of their nationality, that is racist. It's racist because it implies that every man of Arab origin is a possible terrorist - how offensive is that to those people? How would we like it if every American citizen or every British citizen were treated as a suspect? Wouldn't you be angry if someone implied that simply because of your nationality, you were suspected of terrorism?
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Ronoman-
what would u have us do?
send the terrorists to counseling?.

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Oh my goodness...Diamond, do you really think that because someone says it's wrong to assassinate people without trial, they mean if those people have committed crimes they shouldn't be punished?

I'm against the death penalty, that doesn'ts mean I'm against criminals being punished.
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Ronoman-
what would u have us do?
send the terrorists to counseling?.

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Thanks diamond,....you did not point out that i forgot to say Read you,...


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