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Old 01-25-2005, 11:49 AM   #1
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HRC: common ground on abortion; also, politically brilliant

THIS IS NOT ANOTHER ABORTION THREAD!!! I DO NOT WANT TO DISCUSS ABORTION!!! PLEASE READ, THEN I'LL FOLLOW WITH WHAT I THINK IS SO INTERESTING ABOUT IT ....

January 24, 2005
Senator Clinton Speaks of 'Common Ground' on Abortion
By PATRICK D. HEALY

ALBANY, Jan. 24 - Proposing new political language about abortion rights for the Democratic Party, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton said today that friends and foes on the issue should come together on "common ground" to reduce the number of "unwanted pregnancies" and ultimately abortions, which she called a "sad, even tragic choice to many, many women."

Mrs. Clinton, in a speech to about 1,000 abortion rights supporters at the state Capitol, firmly restated her support for the Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion nationwide, Roe v. Wade. But then she quickly shifted gears, offering warm words to opponents of abortion - particularly members of religious groups - asserting that there was "common ground" to be found after three decades of emotional and political warfare over abortion.

Mrs. Clinton is widely seen as a possible candidate for the party's presidential nomination in 2008, and her remarks signaled that she could be recalibrating her strong identification with the abortion-rights movement as the Democratic Party engages in its own re-examination of its handling of the issue in the wake of Senator John Kerry's loss in the 2004 presidential race.

Ms. Clinton has been a visible and very public defender of abortion rights, appearing at a huge rally in Washington last spring and denouncing what she called Republican efforts to demonize the abortion rights movement.

While she acknowledged in her address today that Americans have "deeply held differences" over abortion rights, Mrs. Clinton told the annual conference of the Family Planning Advocates of New York State, "I for one respect those who believe with all their heart and conscience that there are no circumstances under which abortion should be available."

In addition to her description of abortion as a "tragic choice" for many," Mrs. Clinton said that faith and organized religion were the "primary" reasons that teenagers abstain from sexual relations, and reminded the audience that during the 1990's, she promoted "teen celibacy" as a way to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.

"The fact is, the best way to reduce the number of abortions is to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies in the first place," Mrs. Clinton said.

Mrs. Clinton also called today for the Bush administration, religious groups, supporters and opponents of abortion rights and others to look beyond the abortion rights divide and form a broad alliance on other issues that she suggested as less incendiary: sex-education programs for teenagers that included abstinence education, emergency contraception for women who have recently had unprotected intercourse, and family planning.

The speech was also notable for a stream of statistics and data that, Mrs. Clinton's aides said afterward, were included to underscore her view that the reduction of "unwanted pregnancies" could be a unifying issue for supporters and opponents of abortion rights.

At one point, for instance, she drew gasps from some in the audience by mentioning that 7 percent of American women who do not use contraception account for 53 percent of all unintended pregnancies.

Several women in the audience reacted positively to Mrs. Clinton, whose remarks were interrupted by applause several times and ended with a standing ovation. But they also said her language and themes seemed politically calculated to deal with the abortion "freak-out" among Democrats, as one audience member put it, and reach out to independent and conservative voters in hopes of broadening her base of support for a possible 2008 presidential run.




whats so interesting?

i think we can call this her first presidential move. i also think it's politically brilliant, because it's a perfect example of her husband's always deft triangulation strategy, except here she's doing it on perhaps out most divisive social issue. i also think it has much more authority, and is much more persuasive, coming from a women -- particularly to even staunchly anti-choice/pro-life women.

let's focus on HRC, and what she's doing with this, not on the issue of abortion itself. this is an issue she's using in order to implement a shrewd political strategy. it's the strategy, not the issue, that's so important.

PLEASE: NO ABORTION DISCUSSION!!! LET'S TALK POLITICS, STRATEGY, AND HRC!!!

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An excellent move that reduces the most vocal elements on the issue to the fringe.
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The way I've always looked at it is that you can keep abortion legal, but if you can make a case to convince people to prevent unwanted pregnancies or to choose not to have an abortion, then all the legality in the world is meaningless.

That is the "pro-life" approach I would like to foster.

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agreed. she's got none of her husband's soul, but she's as shrewd as anyone.

this, to me, is the heart of the issue, and i think she might just have found the piece of common ground from which to change the national discussion:

"At one point, for instance, she drew gasps from some in the audience by mentioning that 7 percent of American women who do not use contraception account for 53 percent of all unintended pregnancies."

i think both sides can agree: every pregnancy a wanted pregnancy. let's make abortion a health issue: by promoting women's health, we reduce the number of abortions.
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agreed. she's got none of her husband's soul, but she's as shrewd as anyone.

this, to me, is the heart of the issue, and i think she might just have found the piece of common ground from which to change the national discussion:

"At one point, for instance, she drew gasps from some in the audience by mentioning that 7 percent of American women who do not use contraception account for 53 percent of all unintended pregnancies."

i think both sides can agree: every pregnancy a wanted pregnancy. let's make abortion a health issue: by promoting women's health, we reduce the number of abortions.
I'll be interested to see just how much this kind of stance is taken to heart by the powers-which-wannabe in the Democratic Party. Will they full-heartedly embrace this, or will they let the more radical elements dominate the media ? Regardless, a step in the right direction for sure.
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Definitely a step in the right direction, very inclusive. After 2004 we need to change the way we approach this stuff. Shades of her husband's political genius. I have yet to see Bill Clinton's match as a campaigner.
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This is something I've wanted to see for years, now let's see if it can happen.

Now as far as HRC, I just don't think given the political climate of this country that we are going to go from a Bush to a Democratic woman. I think we still have awhile before a minority or a woman is elected. I think the left is ready but the middle and right may be reluctant.

I'd like to see it happen though I'm torn about Hillary, but I just don't think it will happen in 2008.
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Hopefully she is able to make a difference in our society.
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Well, she's a very good politician. Feel free to interpret that statement any way you like.
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I'll be interested to see just how much this kind of stance is taken to heart by the powers-which-wannabe in the Democratic Party. Will they full-heartedly embrace this, or will they let the more radical elements dominate the media ? Regardless, a step in the right direction for sure.

which part of the pro-choice movement do you regard as "radical"?
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which part of the pro-choice movement do you regard as "radical"?
People like this:

"In response to pro-life groups that have announced counter-protests, pro-abortion demonstrators are encouraging destructive and confrontational tactics. In an alert sent out to its supporters, a group calling itself the Radical Cheerleaders of DC said that pro-lifers will be present at the March, and that engaging them in debate is useless "because they are irrational and will not listen to you," so one way to handle them is to destroy their property, because "a thick layer of paint could really complement a bloody fetus picture.""

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/apr/04042005.html
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fair enough.
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Definitely politically brilliant, but I'd like to believe she truly cares about reducing unplanned pregnancies and abortion, especially since she's a woman and a mother. Not to say that men and fathers shouldn't be equally involved and concerned.

I think it's sad that we have to be so cynical about politicians.
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We are calling for a mobile black/purple/pink noise bloc concentrated on radical cheerleading within this larger march. We are asking for people to learn the cheers at home, and come prepared with flags, noise makers and a festive spirit. Because the bloc will be mobile, radical cheering will take a slightly different form than most squads are used to; we envision it as being vocally based, thus allowing anyone to join in. We are calling upon any squads or individuals who have PRO-CHOICE cheers to send them to the contact information below; we will then compile a master cheer list and put it up on this website.

Aside from the cheering aspect, we feel the purpose of this contingent is to be as loud and as visible as possible. We want to show our commitment to tactical diversity while showing the government, as well as the pro-choice movement, that the radical community is as committed to the issue of women’s choice as it is to anything else. We are encouraging creative direct action for this march, including: guerilla theater, drums/music, literature distribution, puppets, banners, etc… For the purposes of this march many of our common tactics will prove futile, therefore, as members of the DC community based upon our experience and knowledge of the area, we are discouraging property destruction and police confrontation as tactics.

HOWEVER, if you or your group has a strong affinity for property destruction and/or confrontation, we suggest channeling your efforts in creative ways.
For example, we can guarantee that there will be anti-choice counter-protesters present throughout the city. Though angrily confronting such people is useless because they are irrational and will not listen to you, their demonstrations often rely heavily on visuals. These visuals are often put on the sides of mobile vehicles or set up behind a very small fence; either way a thick layer of paint could really compliment a bloody fetus picture.
http://www.radicalcheer.org/call.htm

Still not what I would choose but not exactly a call for destruction.
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I'm not a nut over Hillary, but I am glad she is doing this. She is taking a step in the right direction, and hopefully it will unify America much better on this divisive, heated issue.
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