How to Further Destabilize The Mid East

[nbcrusader]

Saudis consider nuclear bomb

Saudi Arabia, in response to the current upheaval in the Middle East, has embarked on a strategic review that includes acquiring nuclear weapons, the Guardian has learned.
This new threat of proliferation in one of the most dangerous regions of the world comes on top of a crisis over Iran's alleged nuclear programme.

 

[verte76]

Good, great, wonderful. Sarcasm intended of course.
Just what we need, more bombs.

 

[TylerDurden]

Yeah, three cheers for Saudi Arabia! Excellent decision. I can't see this being a problem with anyone. I'm sure Sharon is faxing over details right now to the Saudis on how best to go about this, just help them get there quicker...

 

[deep]

this is another piece of the article.

A strategy paper being considered at the highest levels in Riyadh sets out three options:

? To acquire a nuclear capability as a deterrent;

? To maintain or enter into an alliance with an existing nuclear power that would offer protection;

? To try to reach a regional agreement on having a nuclear-free Middle East.

There is already too much danger with Sharon having nukes.

 

[verte76]

I agree, deep, Sharon scares the out of me. He's bad news.

 

[sue4u2]

Russia scrambles to contact the Saudis before the master of weapons of mass destruction, Saddam H can get his into this market. In the meantime. Kim Jung Ill is saying "how many do you need". Iran wonders how many they will have to produce now. Sharon wonders how soon before he uses his and ...well forget it I just blew my on mind.

 

[Scarletwine]

We've set a wonderful precendent that leaves that as only the alternative for a country to have a deterrant against us.

We should pull all aid to Israel until they stop building the new "Berlin" wall and pull out of settlements. Then maybe the Saudi's wouldn't be so nervous.

 

[verte76]

Not surprisingly, Saudi Arabia is denying that it's developing nuclear weapons.

 

[wolfwill23]

We've set a wonderful precendent that leaves that as only the alternative for a country to have a deterrant against us.

Complete bullshit.

Originally posted by Scarletwine We should pull all aid to Israel until they stop building the new "Berlin" wall and pull out of settlements. Then maybe the Saudi's wouldn't be so nervous. [/B]

Gees, I think the reason Israel feels it needs a wall is because of Hamaas suicide bombers that are funded by...who? THE SAUDIS!

 

[Scarletwine]

That's bullshit as you put it.

They aren't building the wall to stop Hamas. They're building it to steal land and cement the aparthied on Palestinians. Or it wouldn't be on Plaestinian land.

 

[wolfwill23]

That's bullshit as you put it.

They aren't building the wall to stop Hamas. They're building it to steal land and cement the aparthied on Palestinians. Or it wouldn't be on Plaestinian land.

The Israelis built a wall around Gaza and guess what...there have been NO suicide bombers to come into Israel from that area since the construction of that wall.

Now, I think the wall is a bad thing. But I don't think that one day Sharron woke up and thought of it as another cool way to supress the Palestinians.

When babies in your country are intentionally being blown up, you try to think of anyway to stop it. No Hamas or Islamic Jihad, no wall.

 

[Klaus]

Now, I think the wall is a bad thing. But I don't think that one day Sharron woke up and thought of it as another cool way to supress the Palestinians.

I'm sure whoever had the idea of the wall wanted to protect his people but...

If you look where they placed that wall exactly you can see that they didn't give a *** about the palestinensians and maybe even destroyed the income of some palestinensian farmers willingly. If i remember it correctly there is a 60% unemployment rate now in the Palestinensian teritory.
Because of this it shouldn't surprise us that radicals get more support there.

Klaus

 

[Naomi33Blue]

I think if Iran built some powerful nukes, then we could bomb Israel and take away their Atomic and Chemical weapons. Israel is the only threat in the region to Democracy.

End Apartheid in Israel. Bomb Israel, invade it and give it Democracy and Peace. If every culture had nukes, the USA would not go wrecking the world and destroying it's own economy.

 

[pax]

Let's try to not endorse the destruction of sovereign nations so early in the morning, mmmmkay?

 

[deep]

How to Further Destabilize The Mid East

Israel to Build 600 Homes in 3 Settlements; U.S. Officials Are Critical

By GREG MYRE and STEVEN R. WEISMAN

Published: October 3, 2003



Associated Press

Israel indicated Thursday that it would build about 600 new homes in three West Bank settlements, including 24 in Ariel, north of Jerusalem.

Reuters
A Palestinian woman searched yesterday amid the ruins of a house in Deir al-Balah, a town in Gaza next to the Israeli settlement or Kfar Darom. The house was destroyed in an Israeli raid.




JERUSALEM, Oct. 2 ? Israel indicated on Thursday that it intended to build about 600 new homes in three large West Bank settlements, a move that Bush administration officials in Washington said would undercut the Middle East peace plan and could bring a reduction in American assistance to Israel.

The Housing Ministry placed an advertisement seeking bids to build the homes one day after Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's government took another step that American officials said the administration opposed: approval of the construction of barriers deep inside the West Bank to guard Jewish settlements.

Palestinians expressed anger at both decisions, with the Palestinian leader, Yasir Arafat, calling the barrier a "wall of racism."

"What does the wall mean?" he asked at his badly damaged headquarters in the West Bank city of Ramallah. "It means that this government is destroying and ending the peace process. How long will this silence in the face of Israeli crimes last?"

The American-backed peace plan, known as the road map, has stalled as violence has continued; neither side is meeting obligations listed in the first phase of the plan.

Under that first phase, Israel is supposed to halt all settlement activity. But Israeli officials take the position that Israel is not required to do so until the Palestinian leadership cracks down on violent Palestinian factions.

The latest Israeli moves have put President Bush in a difficult position, American officials said, adding that despite American displeasure, it is not clear that the administration will engage in a public confrontation over the action on settlements and the barrier.

While the administration has backed Israel in charging that the failure of the Palestinians to crack down on terrorism is the main cause of the breakdown in the peace plan, American officials also appear to be increasingly impatient with steps taken by Israel.

A measure of the current problem is that John S. Wolf, the special administration envoy assigned to monitor progress on the peace plan, has returned to the United States. That is a sign, administration officials say, that there is no progress to monitor.

One way the United States is pressing Israel is by threatening to reduce loan guarantees by whatever sum Israel spends on expanding the barrier or the West Bank settlements. Top American officials discussed the issue at the White House on Thursday but did not decide to take such a step, administration officials said.

"We're willing to use our leverage," said a senior administration official. "We will be examining what Israel is doing closely and take it into account."

Israel's decision to allow the new homes in settlements was made clear in a newspaper advertisement published in Haaretz inviting bids from construction firms for the building of the homes in various parts of the West Bank.

The plan calls for 530 additional houses in Betar Ilit, a fast-growing settlement south of Jerusalem, along with 50 new homes in Maale Adumim, to the east of Jerusalem, and 24 more in Ariel, a settlement to the north of Jerusalem.

In the government decision on Wednesday, Ariel was one of the settlements to be shielded by the new barrier.

"We not only have the right to keep building, it is the obligation of the Jewish state to help us build," said Adi Mintz, director general of the Settlers Council, which represents Israelis living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip settlements.

The Bush administration made no formal condemnation of Israel's actions. But in a news conference on Thursday, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said that President Bush "continues to believe that the fence presents a problem."

"We also have concerns about continuing settlement activity," he said.

Mr. Sharon has been a leading proponent of settlement building for decades, and his government includes many ministers who are committed to expanding the nearly 150 settlements scattered throughout the West Bank and Gaza.

Palestinians want the settlements dismantled, saying they will make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to establish a contiguous Palestinian state in peace negotiations.

The total number of settlers has reached 230,000, double the figure of a decade ago, when the initial Israeli-Palestinian peace talks began.

Palestinian militants have frequently attacked settlers during the past three years of fighting, and residents in the more isolated settlements say they remain vulnerable.

However, the larger settlements, which are heavily guarded by Israeli security forces, are comparatively safe and continue to attract new residents.

The settlement population has been growing at a rate of about 10,000 annually over the past three years, despite the fighting.

"Sharon's definition of a Palestinian state is a bunch of strips of land that have no contiguity," said Dror Etkes, a spokesman for Peace Now, an Israeli group that monitors settlements.

"Sharon always speaks about a long-term interim solution with the Palestinians," Mr. Etkes said. "But with his policies, there will be nothing left to negotiate in the long term."

Haaretz, a liberal daily, recently estimated that annual Israeli government spending on civilian needs in the settlements was more than $500 million, and that the security costs in the West Bank and Gaza were around $900 million a year.

The newspaper also estimated that the settlements had cost Israel roughly $10 billion in civilian spending since they began going up after Israel captured the West Bank and Gaza in the 1967 war.

The Israeli government does not publish figures on the costs of settlements.

 

[BVS]

I don't know what to say...it's just sad.

But I love your sig, Deep. I wish everyone lived by that. But I guess we wouldn't be in this forum if everyone did.

 

[deep]

But I love your sig, Deep.

thanks

crusader put me on to it

indirectly

 

[Rono]

The Israelis built a wall around Gaza and guess what...there have been NO suicide bombers to come into Israel from that area since the construction of that wall.

Now, I think the wall is a bad thing. But I don't think that one day Sharron woke up and thought of it as another cool way to supress the Palestinians.

When babies in your country are intentionally being blown up, you try to think of anyway to stop it. No Hamas or Islamic Jihad, no wall.

And why the fuck is that wall not on the border between Israel and Gaza but on Gaza ground ? And with the ussefull farmer ground on the Israel site ?

 

[Rono]

Let's try to not endorse the destruction of sovereign nations so early in the morning, mmmmkay?

Why not ? Pre - emtive strikes are the new trend.