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Old 02-13-2007, 08:23 PM   #31
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I don't recall the US being involved in a conflict on a WWI or WWII type scale since the end of WWII. Don't recall, UK, Germany, Japan or china being in one either. Think maybe we're collectively afraid of being wiped out by nukes ?

It's a major deterrent to mass global conflict, countries with nukes just don't get into huge wars. Think there would have been an Iran/Iraq war if one or both had nukes ?

World safer without nukes ? ROFLMAO!!!!
But to prove this is due to nukes is laughable. That's like saying, we haven't been attacked since 9/11 it must be Bush or the fact that I cut my hair.

Maybe it's just some have learned from history.
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But to prove this is due to nukes is laughable. That's like saying, we haven't been attacked since 9/11 it must be Bush or the fact that I cut my hair.

Maybe it's just some have learned from history.
Lesson learned from WWII : "If they've got nukes, don't fuck with them"

What's laughable is to think that we are somehow safer if we don't have nukes.
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Lesson learned from WWII : "If they've got nukes, don't fuck with them"

What's laughable is to think that we are somehow safer if we don't have nukes.
I said we're safer if the world has no nukes, big difference.
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I said we're safer if the world has no nukes, big difference.
exactly.
why does the u.s. feel the need to hold other countries up to standards that it doesn't even hold itself to?
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Interesting posts here. So those who believe the world is safer with nukes should totally understand the reasoning for countries around the world to arm themselves with nuclear weapons ala Iran. I guess every country on the planet should have nukes so no one ever attacks anyone, congratulations, you have just come with a plan of world peace based on the rational of "If they've got nukes, don't fuck with them". I hope they spell your name right on the Nobel peace prize.

Incidents like below are why the world is not safer with nuclear weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_...ovich_Arkhipov

A misunderstanding between two countries not pointing nuclear weapons can't potentially lead to the annihilation of the planet. Many of those weapons are still aimed at each other today despite the cold war being over.

The fear of terrorists acquiring a nuclear bomb is driving the policy of the "war on terror" which is hardly making the world safer.

This discussion reminds me of the gun in the house debate. People are safer if they keep a weapon in their house, umm, sure, whatever gives you peace of mind I suppose.

I guarantee you this, if Canada were ever to decide to acquire nuclear weapons, the US would never ever allow it to happen despite us being their ally. Not that we would even consider it. Most countries on this planet don't want nukes, maybe nuclear energy but not nukes.
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exactly.
why does the u.s. feel the need to hold other countries up to standards that it doesn't even hold itself to?
Cause you're the good guys and everyone else are bad guys.

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Interesting posts here. So those who believe the world is safer with nukes should totally understand the reasoning for countries around the world to arm themselves with nuclear weapons ala Iran. I guess every country on the planet should have nukes so no one ever attacks anyone, congratulations, you have just come with a plan of world peace based on the rational of "If they've got nukes, don't fuck with them". I hope they spell your name right on the Nobel peace prize.
Excellent post!!!
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Interesting posts here. So those who believe the world is safer with nukes should totally understand the reasoning for countries around the world to arm themselves with nuclear weapons ala Iran.
LOL! Iran has stated intent to wipe certain countrie soff the face of the Earth, hardly the kind of responsible country you want having a nuke !
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Cause you're the good guys and everyone else are bad guys.

It's worked so far. It would appear the major country vs. country land wars going on these days are of the no-nuke country vs. no-nuke country variety. Maybe we should tell them they're safer.....

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I said we're safer if the world has no nukes, big difference.
Right. The world was safer in 1939.
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you have just come with a plan of world peace based on the rational of "
I hope so too, it's tougher than "rationale"....
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LOL! Iran has stated intent to wipe certain countrie soff the face of the Earth, hardly the kind of responsible country you want having a nuke !
The religious minded leadership of Iran has stated that, not really the country.

In general communists are fine with nuclear weapons for their own uses, they want to remain a hermit kingdom then nukes don't really change the calculus too much. Problems arise with nuclear proliferation to those that would use them; and that would be those with an interest in the afterlife.
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At least one things for sure,If we didn't have nukes then only people would die and the planet will live on.(not counting biological warfare)
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LOL! Iran has stated intent to wipe certain countrie soff the face of the Earth, hardly the kind of responsible country you want having a nuke !
You are aware that this is only rhetoric designed to appeal to a certain base within the country. Bush has even made subtle references to the possible use of nukes. Words are not actions.

Also, based on your theory of a nuke country wouldn't attack another nuke country, why would Iran attack either Israel or the US. MAD was a great deterrent so I am certain that getting destroyed while you blow up one or two cities would definitely be a deterrent.
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Attack Israel, wipe out the Jews and bring about the occulted who can usher in global paradise under Allah.
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