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Old 05-24-2006, 01:30 PM   #46
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in the context of this discussion, my opinion on that doesn't matter any more than anybody else's. how and if people choose to support various causes isn't anybody's business but theirs. period.
A hierarchy of Human rights vs. animal rights isn't a matter of personal opinion.
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Well, try answering your own questions. How do you justify it for yourself?
I do answer these questions myself.

Do you want us all to open up our financial records so we can compare how we do?
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in the context of this discussion, my opinion on that doesn't matter any more than anybody else's. how and if people choose to support various causes isn't anybody's business but theirs. period.


i think this gets at a way to determine which causes are most "worthy" -- those which speak most passionately to the individual making the donation.

perhaps one has been a rape victim, perhaps one is HIV positive, perhaps one is convinced that the best thing for the planet would be a worldwide movement towards vegetarianism, perhaps one has spent time on the ground in Darfur, perhaps one has spent time teaching GED classes to single mothers.

the point is, there's more than enough need to go around, and there are many potential doners. i think if we must construct a rubrick as to which causes are "most worthy," then i think we must let individuals decide for themselves, so that their donations are given in full and generous spirit, that there's a level of genuine commitment attached to whatever dollar amount one gives.

when i was 9 years old, i did a "Swim for Lukemia" marathon thing. i went around the neighborhood and told people that i was going to swim 40 laps in an hour, and that if they paid me per lap, all that money would be given to lukemia research. three years earlier, i had lost my grandfather to lukemia. there was a personal motivation to wanting to do the swim. instead of 40 laps, i swam 76. my parents had to attach a note to the form when i went around collecting that said, "feel free to only pay the equivalent of 40 laps."

you know what -- no one did. everyone paid up the full 76 laps.

more people die of breast cancer than lukemia (i believe ... i'll wait for anitram to correct me), but i can't imagine that i'd have had the will to swim 76 laps instead of 40 laps if i'd been swimming for breast cancer instead of lukemia.

this is not to say one is more deserving than the other. just that one was more relevant to me than the other, and therefore, more worthy of *my* time, energy, and money.
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A hierarchy of Human rights vs. animal rights isn't a matter of personal opinion.
individual decisions to financially support animal rights groups aren't conscious, subversive strikes against human rights/other rights groups.
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individual decisions to financially support animal rights groups aren't conscious, subversive strikes against human rights/other rights groups.
Though PETA's stances may be at odds with your statement. For them, animal rights trumps humans (as pointed out earlier with medical experiments).
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so, in your opinion, no one should ever support PETA?
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There are far more reasonable and effective organizations (humane society for example).
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I don't get why people get so angry with KFC as opposed to say... the grocery store. KFC does not raise its own chickens. It buys then from various venders all over the place, the chicken comes from the same sources as the chicken you bought from the grocery store does. Is it horrible the way the chicken are treated? yes. But KFC is on worse than any other source of chicken (unless of course you are buying free range or something like that).
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I don't get why people get so angry with KFC as opposed to say... the grocery store. KFC does not raise its own chickens. It buys then from various venders all over the place, the chicken comes from the same sources as the chicken you bought from the grocery store does. Is it horrible the way the chicken are treated? yes. But KFC is on worse than any other source of chicken (unless of course you are buying free range or something like that).
The answer in in the original post. They were demonstrating to 'urge people to not eat at KFC until the restaurant buys chickens from humane vendors.'

A_Wanderer - I know it was not your intent but thank you for the post. Any chance to alert people of the cruelty that goes on to put food on peoples plates is appreciated.
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Is there an establish convention for "humane vendors of chicken"?

To answer ILuvLarryMullen's question, pick on KFC to generate the most free advertising possible. I bet they saw an increase in donations following this advertising campaign.
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The answer in in the original post. They were demonstrating to 'urge people to not eat at KFC until the restaurant buys chickens from humane vendors.'

yes I understand that part, but why KFC instead of say demonstrating at the grocery store? I think a better method would be something like trying to work on the laws about how poultry has to be kept by the vendors. I don't think that demonstrating against KFC is going to do a damn thing.



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To answer ILuvLarryMullen's question, pick on KFC to generate the most free advertising possible. I bet they saw an increase in donations following this advertising campaign.
good point, I guess that is probably why. Sure it's free advertising, but I think they are probably getting more people against them than for them.
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i think using 'more worthy' creates a false dichotomy. it is possible to support both human and animal causes. it's not an either/or situation.
Supporting PETA is counterproductive to supporting medical research.
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A hierarchy of Human rights vs. animal rights isn't a matter of personal opinion.
I disagree. According to evolution, humans are animals and thus there is no heirachy. Some religions encourage the view that humans are superior to the other animals. The existance or absence of a heirachy of rights is entirely personal opinion.
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Even the theory of evolution creates a hierarchy. Guess who's on top.
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Even the theory of evolution creates a hierarchy. Guess who's on top.
Please provide references that support the theory that humans are not animals, and as such are not any more important than the rest of the animals. ie please provide references to a heirachy of rights.
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