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Old 01-06-2006, 02:25 PM   #31
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Anyway, I'm somewhere between B and C. I would actually prefer to be a vegetarian, but I was for a couple of years and had a lot of health problems because of it (and I was taking supplements and eating well).
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Eliv8: Yes I saw a repport about that ! Well two. One about fast foods, McDonald especialy, and another one about the kind of food we found in grocery stores and how chickens were treated. They Supermaket Secrets I think it was called. It was a British show. They showed how the chickens were living in their own pee, sometimes sitting in it because they grew so fast with the food they were fed with that their legs couldn't support their own weight. Some dead chickens were just lying and rotting in the corners while the others were walking (or trying to) ! Same thing with the ducks. Since I saw that, I never eat fast food anymore.

Talking about that :

In a video I've watched, the cow wasn't dead ! It was horrible... they didn't kill it and it was hanging upside down being cut alive ! It was terrible. That beef was one that would be sent to the McDonald company for making burgers, as many others.
For chickens, they are just hanged up and get their head cut by a kind of machine, one after the others, when the time come.

Horrible industry that we have, I agree.
You probably saw something like this ...

http://www.meat.org/
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Old 01-06-2006, 02:36 PM   #33
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This April, it will be 18 years since I have eaten meat. I was somewhat forced to eat it as a kid because my parents didn't want to have to make a separate meal for me. But once I turned 14 my mom said I was old enough to cook for myself. It's never been any sort of animal rights thing for me. I just think it's gross to eat an animal but I have no problems with dairy or even wearing leather. I never liked the taste and I never will eat meat again.
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Corn, wheat, rice, etc. all get the same treatment.

I'm not sure the dramatic description of the food production business is that productive.
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It's the opposite, really (though "die" and "diet" are unrelated etymologically). "Diet" comes from a Greek word meaning "way of life."
Way of life/Way of death. Dont they pretty much boil down to the same thing?
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You probably saw something like this ...

http://www.meat.org/
Well no, it was a long repport I think.
I found this that looks a lot like that I saw :

Where Chickens come from :
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video....=wm&speed=_med


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I'll try to eat as less as possible from now on... *trauma* lol
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Well no, it was a long repport I think.
I found this that looks a lot like that I saw :

Where Chickens come from :
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video....=wm&speed=_med


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I'll try to eat as less as possible from now on... *trauma* lol
Ive seen that one too - Its not right
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And I guess this is the one you saw or read about, with the cows :

Meet your Meat : cows
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video....=wm&speed=_med

It's even more horrible when you see it than when you read it...
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I am far more concerned with the torture and murder etc that many human beings continue to face in this world. I can understand why people get upset when animals are killed in a particularly cruel fashion, but still get the feeling that the world would be a better place if all those people devoted their time and passion to saving AIDS orphans or something.

Why is it okay to kill cows/chickens/fish/etc and not my dog? Because my dog is cute and I love him very much. Yeah that's pretty much it.
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Plus I feel so much better for not eating meat & I have lost weight.
And see, I feel so much better now that I'm eating meat again for the first time in 16 years and I have lost weight, too. I gained fat as a long-term vegetarian because of too many carbs and no amount of the proteins that come from food combining was enough for me. I ate really well as a vegetarian and after 16 years was extremely nutrient depleted across the board. Everyone's different and do you really think it's cool to be lecturing people ("And why not eat cats & dogs? Why is it OK to put a tortured animal on your plate but not OK to take your dog for a walk and kick him down the street?") about meat when you've only been without it for 4 months?
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I am far more concerned with the torture and murder etc that many human beings continue to face in this world. I can understand why people get upset when animals are killed in a particularly cruel fashion, but still get the feeling that the world would be a better place if all those people devoted their time and passion to saving AIDS orphans or something.

Why is it okay to kill cows/chickens/fish/etc and not my dog? Because my dog is cute and I love him very much. Yeah that's pretty much it.
I actually do feel it's all connected though. People who have no compassion for animals often also have none for other humans, especially if they can compartmentalise those other humans -- you know, the "well, they aren't like us" bit. That makes it far easier to torture or kill others.

I honestly don't think I could stand someone who worked all day slaughtering animals, and I wonder how hard/numb they have to be to do that kind of work.

I can't condemn people for eating meat though, as I still do (although my goal is to stop -- both for health reasons and my own conscience. I've been around animals waaay too long to think of them as just something for humans to use for our own pleasure) and I do really like my leather shoes/boots and purses. But I do think people should be aware of the lives and deaths the animals they are now eating had.
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I actually do feel it's all connected though. People who have no compassion for animals often also have none for other humans, especially if they can compartmentalise those other humans -- you know, the "well, they aren't like us" bit. That makes it far easier to torture or kill others.

Agreed. But there is a big difference between kicking a puppy and eating a hamburger.
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^^Yeah that's true of course, people that go around beheading dogs as teenagers usually grow up to do similar things to humans, it's sick. I've seen those videos and I do wonder how some people can be so cruel in the methods they use. I don't think animals should be killed in particularly painful or cruel ways, but I think eating meat is a perfectly natural way of life.
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How much meat do I eat?


I would have to say I'm an A+++

I loooove eating meat. I could sit down with a 2 pound steak and go to town. mmmm

Anyway, I eat meat at every meal--then I usually have a meat stick as a snack. I hunt/fish so I eat a lot of venison and fish. I make my own venison jerky, meatsticks, sausage...ect.
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I honestly don't think I could stand someone who worked all day slaughtering animals, and I wonder how hard/numb they have to be to do that kind of work.
You don't want to know then how many lab mice have died at my hand doing in vivo experiments for cancer research.

But people fail to understand something - the guidelines for research mean that you MUST have an in vivo system way before they will let you test on humans. So people start with mice. After that they move to dogs or monkeys as the preferable system. IF it works, human tests.

Breast cancer or mice dying?
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