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91 - 100% likelihood 2 6.06%
75 - 90% likelihood 5 15.15%
50 - 74% likelihood 4 12.12%
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10 - 25% likelihood 6 18.18%
0 - 9 % likelihood 14 42.42%
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Old 09-27-2007, 12:11 PM   #16
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EXACTLY!!! And this is how they'll delay the 2008 elections and keep Bush in power under martial law until God knows when!!!
I'm convinced Bush is a sociopath. Anything could happen.
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I'm convinced Bush is a sociopath. Anything could happen.


i really, really don't get this sabre-rattling with Iran. it seems a military confrontation with them over the next year or so -- *unless* there's the full backing of the EU and the UN, which seems more likely given the nuclear question -- would be positively untenable for our military.

i'm really baffled by this. i can't imagine anyone would want this given the overstretched US military right now -- it must be a bluff of some kind?
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i'm really baffled by this. i can't imagine anyone would want this given the overstretched US military right now -- it must be a bluff of some kind?
America always needs an enemy.

Saddam is dead, and Osama is god-knows-where.

So they turn to the next brown guy that isn't close pals with the United States.
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Hillary voted for the amendment. Damn, that pisses me off.
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Would you rather have Bill Clinton or Karl Rove advising the selection of the next Supreme Court Justice?

Clinton. No questions there.
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Not likely. The American people are tired of war. The Iraq war is unpopular.
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i really, really don't get this sabre-rattling with Iran. it seems a military confrontation with them over the next year or so -- *unless* there's the full backing of the EU and the UN, which seems more likely given the nuclear question -- would be positively untenable for our military.
The developing argument for a "confrontation" seems to be: if we don't "do something about Iran" now, then they'll make Iraq into a de facto proxy state by arming and training Shiite militias, and then they'll be in a far better position to project their power throughout the entire Middle East region, and since it's our responsibility to "save" Iraq from that, therefore we're obligated to act against Iran now. So, rather than presenting it as Yet Another War, it's now being framed as 'like it or not, we committed to this when we committed to Iraq.'
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so, short of a draft, how do we deal militarily?
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so, short of a draft, how do we deal militarily?
Outsource it. Mercenaries are the new military.
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Outsource it. Mercenaries are the new military.
A ground war would be ineffective, especially with mercenaries.
Bush's objectives would require the use of heavy air power and missiles.
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A ground war would be ineffective, especially with mercenaries.
Bush's objectives would require the use of heavy air power and missiles.
I think you're right. There have been reports for some time about covert operations in Iran marking sites for airstrikes. I just meant that if things escalated beyond that... well, Blackwater already has a base set up a few miles from the Iranian border, and is expanding its military training bases everywhere.
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I think you're right. There have been reports for some time about covert operations in Iran marking sites for airstrikes. I just meant that if things escalated beyond that... well, Blackwater already has a base set up a few miles from the Iranian border, and is expanding its military training bases everywhere.
I still can't see Blackwater security sneaking around much in Iran -the security is pretty tight, the terrain is mountainous, and the sites are spread out over hundreds of miles. Iran already captured British soldiers twice (on the shared waterway). I think those newly developed mini-nukes would also be required to get at some of the buried sites.
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i really, really don't get this sabre-rattling with Iran. it seems a military confrontation with them over the next year or so -- *unless* there's the full backing of the EU and the UN, which seems more likely given the nuclear question -- would be positively untenable for our military.

i'm really baffled by this. i can't imagine anyone would want this given the overstretched US military right now -- it must be a bluff of some kind?
You seem to be assuming that the neocons are rational. There is no particular evidence to support that assumption.
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so, short of a draft, how do we deal militarily?
Troops are needed for nation building, although now it is too late for any military course of action just destroying doesn't demand as much.
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This is disconcerting. I am not happy that this passed.

but I still don't think anything will happen in Iran by 2008. We don't have the resources for it and the overwhelming majority is so against the Iraq war that I'm going to assume starting another "conflict" even under the guise of "combatting terrorism" will cause a huuuuge backlash.
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