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Old 03-04-2004, 05:19 PM   #1
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How good do you think you have to be to get into heaven?

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I am willing to bet my salvation on the fact that someone who lives a decent life, helping others ect.....Has a wonderful place in the house of God. Sorry, there are many rooms in my father's house and no one on this planet is the doorman.
Dread posted this in another thread, I didn't want to derail it too much so I thought I'd get some opinions. Maybe Dread didn't mean 'wonderful place in the house of God' to equal heaven, I'm not sure.

Do you think you can simply be a 'good' person and get to heaven? What is your definition of 'good'? Do you even believe in the concept of heaven or an afterlife?
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Afterlife? Yes.

Only God knows who "gets in". But I think he's probably a pretty cool bouncer.
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Whether it's "heaven" or "nirvana" or reincarnation, essentially to me it's the same thing, because in any of those cases, you are striving to get to a better place than you are at currently, correct?

Yes, I believe it is enough to be good. I believe there are multiple paths to God and that he has revealed himself to different people differently. If you can see God in these least brothers of yours, then I think people can see God in Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, etc. Everyone who believes in a Supreme Being, I think believes in the same thing at the end of the day. We may call it by different names and we may use different roads to get there, but we will get there in the end.

I agree with Dread 100%.

I see God as merciful. I think a person who has lived an honourable life here on earth, and who tried their very best to be loving, both towards themselves and to those around them, who shared that love, gets in. This means people who were good to their families, who made an honest living, who didn't hurt others or wish them harm, who did they best they could with what they were given, who extended their empathy and their sympathy to all people, no matter how different their life experiences are, who didn't stand in moral judgment of others or preached for a superior moral pulpit.

We are all people at the end of the day. If you truly have respect for that, then you get into "heaven." Because if you respect that your fellow man is neither better nor worse than you, then you will afford them the same rights you have, and you will wish for them the same happiness you wish for yourself.
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Only God knows who "gets in
That I agree with. Do you think you have any way to sway Him in His decision, or are you just hoping you catch Him on a good day when it's your turn at the pearly gates?
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That I agree with. Do you think you have any way to sway Him in His decision, or are you just hoping you catch Him on a good day when it's your turn at the pearly gates?
No I just spend as much time trying to build and develop a relationship with him.
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Only God knows who "gets in". But I think he's probably a pretty cool bouncer.
I also agree.

The problem with multiple "truths" is that it essentially make Jesus Christ a liar.

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

God made the plan simple, so no one can take selfish pride in their faith:

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

God makes the decision. We cannot earn it ourselves. We should never try and play gatekeeper.
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We should never try and play gatekeeper.
Yet we do.

I still agree with Dread.
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Dread did mean heaven...for clarification.
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I also agree.

The problem with multiple "truths" is that it essentially make Jesus Christ a liar.

I suppose that could lead to a wonderful debate about the Bible. If you believe to to be divinely inspired or the literal word of God. we could also debate how accurately Jesus was quoted, but then we could get into battles of faith.
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Yes, I believe it is enough to be good.

I think a person who has lived an honourable life here on earth, and who tried their very best to be loving, both towards themselves and to those around them, who shared that love, gets in. This means people who were good to their families, who made an honest living, who didn't hurt others or wish them harm, who did they best they could with what they were given, who extended their empathy and their sympathy to all people, no matter how different their life experiences are, who didn't stand in moral judgment of others or preached for a superior moral pulpit.
What is being good to your family? I know I pulled some hair and kicked some shins and said mean things to my siblings - if I was nice >50% of the time is that good enough?

What's an honest living? Are strippers out?

"Didn't hurt others or wish them harm" --> Ever? Or just more than 50% of your lifetime?

"Extended empathy and sympathy to all people" --> Are you synpathetic to someone like the WTC suicide pilots? Jeffrey Dahmer? Priests who molest children? George Bush? Or can there be exceptions where you don't have to sympathetic/empathetic?
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I loved your post, anitram.

Nbc, apologies if I interpreted your post wrongly, but is it your belief that only those who believe in Jesus go to "Heaven"?
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What is being good to your family?
My goodness....if that is the qualification...I am out. By many peoples standards I am the root of all F'ing evil in my family.

Cross that off the list please....

Or maybe I will hit the Big Guy at the door on a good day!

By the way..Jesus is the bouncer at the door. Think about it...no one gets through him.
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Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6
But does this necessarily mean they have to have a personal relationship with him. What if it means that some can recognise the beauty of this world and they spend their whole lives loving their neighbor and being good, but never really knew Jesus. Could Jesus come up to him or her and put his arm around them and say you know what, we never talked one on one but you were a good person, I've been watching you, come inside and meet some of my friends.
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Could Jesus come up to him or her and put his arm around them and say you know what, we never talked one on one but you were a good person, I've been watching you, come inside and meet some of my friends.
And I am betting he serves some KICK ASS wine.
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Nbc, apologies if I interpreted your post wrongly, but is it your belief that only those who believe in Jesus go to "Heaven"?
Based on how God reveals Himself through His Word, this is an acurate statement.
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