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Old 03-04-2004, 06:18 PM   #16
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And I am betting he serves some KICK ASS wine.
ugggh Jesus wine. I can't wait to kick it with Jesus and Elvis over a bottle of wine, and just think there's no getting sick...
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Old 03-04-2004, 06:19 PM   #17
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Nbc, apologies if I interpreted your post wrongly, but is it your belief that only those who believe in Jesus go to "Heaven"?
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Based on how God reveals Himself through His Word, this is an acurate statement.
So all of the people who believe in a religion other than Christianity, all the people who believe in no religion at all...what happens to them?

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Old 03-04-2004, 06:21 PM   #18
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So all of the people who believe in a religion other than Christianity, all the people who believe in no religion at all...what happens to them?
I guess they get the cheap wine.
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Old 03-04-2004, 06:23 PM   #19
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But does this necessarily mean they have to have a personal relationship with him. What if it means that some can recognise the beauty of this world and they spend their whole lives loving their neighbor and being good, but never really knew Jesus. Could Jesus come up to him or her and put his arm around them and say you know what, we never talked one on one but you were a good person, I've been watching you, come inside and meet some of my friends.
I cannot limit what Jesus can do. Based on His Word, however, it appears a personal relationship is necessary.

It would seem odd to know of Jesus, but not seek a personal relationship with Jesus, betting on the goodness of your works.
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I guess they get the cheap wine.
What the hell, I prefer beer anyway.
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Whether it's "heaven" or "nirvana" or reincarnation, essentially to me it's the same thing, because in any of those cases, you are striving to get to a better place than you are at currently, correct?

Yes, I believe it is enough to be good. I believe there are multiple paths to God and that he has revealed himself to different people differently. If you can see God in these least brothers of yours, then I think people can see God in Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, etc. Everyone who believes in a Supreme Being, I think believes in the same thing at the end of the day. We may call it by different names and we may use different roads to get there, but we will get there in the end.

I agree with Dread 100%.

I see God as merciful. I think a person who has lived an honourable life here on earth, and who tried their very best to be loving, both towards themselves and to those around them, who shared that love, gets in. This means people who were good to their families, who made an honest living, who didn't hurt others or wish them harm, who did they best they could with what they were given, who extended their empathy and their sympathy to all people, no matter how different their life experiences are, who didn't stand in moral judgment of others or preached for a superior moral pulpit.

We are all people at the end of the day. If you truly have respect for that, then you get into "heaven." Because if you respect that your fellow man is neither better nor worse than you, then you will afford them the same rights you have, and you will wish for them the same happiness you wish for yourself.
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bonosloveslave...I think God realizes people will make mistakes with family and friends-they'll fight with each other on occasion and everything. But as long as they, for the most part, are good people, just generally nice people who occasionally get into some fights and stuff, he'll forgive them and still allow them in.

As for strippers...well, hey, Jesus hung out with the prostitutes, did he not? I don't see why the same can't be said here.

I think God will forgive those who do things like that, too, especially if it's done to try and make a living for their families or something. Even if he personally didn't agree with the profession they went into...he might understand their motives, and would forgive them. I don't see him punishing them severely for that.

Course...I personally don't believe in heaven and hell to begin with. I lean more toward reincarnation. But if there was a heaven and a hell, to me, hell would be saved only for murderers, rapists, molesters...people along that line. Everyone else would be able to join up with God.

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So all of the people who believe in a religion other than Christianity, all the people who believe in no religion at all...what happens to them?
Let's put it this way.

God is Holy - He cannot have sin in His presence.

We are sinners. On our own, we cannot be in God' presence.

God requires atonement for sin.

God sent Jesus as the perfect sacrifice to atone for our sin.

If we admit we are sinners, and put our faith in Jesus Christ, by His grace we are cleansed of our sin, thus being able to be in the presence of God forever.

We can try and build a picture of what happens when one has no atonement for sin, but I'm not sure what that accomplishes. Scripture does not define alternative pathways.
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We can try and build a picture of what happens when one has no atonement for sin, but I'm not sure what that accomplishes. Scripture does not define alternative pathways.
Actually, there are other pathways, although Jesus apparently is the easier pathway. Where did I put that eye of the needle.

He did not say it was impossible,....
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I see God as merciful. I think a person who has lived an honourable life here on earth, and who tried their very best to be loving, both towards themselves and to those around them, who shared that love, gets in
when it's all said and done God will see what is in your heart and your soul and that will either be your ticket in or to another place I suppose .. I use use that as example as I believe in heaven. I don't know what God's criteria is going to be excatly for that. I do believe all those people who here on earth do deeds to please God there something morally wrong with that. If your running around wondering if your good deeds are going to get you into heaven there might be something wrong with the method to your madness.

Live an honourable life while your living becasue it is the right thing to do now. Love thy neighbour not as a means to an afterlife but because it is what is in your heart and soul. Live a good life because you want to be good an loving not because you want to get to heaven. that will take care of itself

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We may be surprised at the people we find in heaven. God has a soft spot for sinners. His standards are quite low. Archbiship Tutu
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We can try and build a picture of what happens when one has no atonement for sin, but I'm not sure what that accomplishes. Scripture does not define alternative pathways.
So the Bible doesn't say anything about what happens to people who aren't Christians?

They might go to "Heaven," they might be reincarnated, they might live on Earth forever...
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Actually, there are other pathways, although Jesus apparently is the easier pathway. Where did I put that eye of the needle.

He did not say it was impossible,....
This is an excellent example of how we cannot earn our way to heaven. As recorded in three of the Gospels:

Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?" Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:23-36
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Live a good life because you want to be good an loving not because you want to get to heaven.
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So the Bible doesn't say anything about what happens to people who aren't Christians?

They might go to "Heaven," they might be reincarnated, they might live on Earth forever...
Aside from a definite separation from God, there are only the occasional references to judgment and what can be described as eternal suffering.

But do people really make a decision for Christ based on what might happen to other people? The question is really before the individual. Will you be in the presence of God?
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Live a good life because you want to be good an loving not because you want to get to heaven.
Loving others is the response to the gift of grace.

"let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven" Matthew 5:16

Our love is to point people to God.
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Actually, there are other pathways, although Jesus apparently is the easier pathway. Where did I put that eye of the needle.

He did not say it was impossible,....
How about Hebrews 11:6?

"So, you see, it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that there is a God and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him." (New Living Translation)

* BTW, it is really interesting to see the spread of beliefs, especially in some people where I thought I knew what they would say You never know if you don't ask!
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