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Old 11-14-2001, 12:19 PM   #61
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It's about as unfair as saying "If you're conservative, then you ought not listen to U2 because their beliefs coincide with yours"
Well, that was actually my point, so I think I do agree with you. But, and this is just a question, do you think sharing religious or political views with a band/song helps you understand it better? In a way I would say yes, because you understand better where the band/song is coming from. But it IS music, not theology or politics, and so (as Blue Room said) is supposed to be accessible and even open to different interpretations by diffrent people.
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Old 11-14-2001, 12:38 PM   #63
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"I believe that it's a woman's right to choose. Absolutely"

1989. Mother Jones interview.

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See now, that is very interesting to me. Thanks for posting that btw.

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Well, that was actually my point, so I think I do agree with you. But, and this is just a question, do you think sharing religious or political views with a band/song helps you understand it better? In a way I would say yes, because you understand better where the band/song is coming from. But it IS music, not theology or politics, and so (as Blue Room said) is supposed to be accessible and even open to different interpretations by diffrent people.
Sure, sharing the same religious and/or political views as a band does help to better understand what they are trying to convey. But on the same token - if I were to walk blindly into a song not knowing what it was about and the song wounded up intriguing me - I would try to educate myself on what is being said so I could better understand what the song was trying to convey.

The same would go for any kind of art - literature, painting, architecture... The more you look at it, the more it intrigues and for me personally, the more it makes me want to learn about all aspects of something I find interesting. It's hard to be a jack of all trades and know everything there is about art but (it's damn near impossible especially since there is art in everything! ) One example: I took a trip a while ago to Canterbury Cathedral in England. I was awestruck not only by it's beauty, but the more I learned about it's history and all the work that went into building the cathedral, along with measures people were taking into preserving the architectural structure - it only made me love and understand the place more. The same could probably be said if I were to ever step foot into the Sistine Chapel, the Guggenheim museum, the Palace of Versailles... etc. etc. the list goes on.

Man, I really would love to travel more!

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Don't like conservative Republicans. Its like the Nazi party. Jerry Falwell and Bob Barr (makes you want to barf). If you want to have a lot of fun, go to the CNN chats and watch so many of them have absolutely no reply to intelligent questions.
This has to be the most poorly thought out and prejudiced post in this entire thread. To lump all conservatives with the likes of Jerry Falwell and Bob Barr is completely unfair and insulting. Jerry Falwell is a disgrace to conservatives the world over. Conservative isn't even the right term for him. Idiotic, intolerant and bigotted are more appropriate terms.

I won't even dignify your idiotic comparison of conservative Republicans to the Nazi party with a response.

(just FYI, but I consider myself a moderate republican at best)
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Isn't Congressman Bob Barr partly black?
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Personally I think the slamming of any party - be it conservative or liberal, is unconstructive and hits a little too close to personal insults as some people take their political views very seriously. Someone blasts conservatism and likens it to Nazism. Someone blasts liberals and casts them all as communists. It's done all the time here, and quite frankly, it's stupid because no matter what political views we share we're all individuals and suspect to happenstance which can in turn mold and shape who we are politically. There will always be shitty people *on both sides* that will give everyone a bad rap. The worst I've seen here in the past is people blaming bad or negligent parenting on where a person stands politically. Ludicrous, imo. There are many facets to the individual and they shouldn't be restricted to one particular political stance. Personally, I'm a liberal. I don't think I'm a better or worse mother than anyone else. I'm not a 'tree hugging hippie' who's out protesting the war. I'm not a war mongerer, and I'm not a leftist sympathizer. And I'm certainly not about to label all conservatives as facists. That's narrowminded and won't help me better understand where someone with opposing views is coming from!

The picture is much deeper than that but when you boil it down it's quite simple. One platform adheres to your own set of beliefs and standards more than the other. Why lower yourself by slamming another person's character based on their party affiliation?
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See now, that is very interesting to me. Thanks for posting that btw.

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You're welcome.

Does it surprise you? I actually found it to be quite "in character" for Bono to say this.
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Well,that does it for me. I now stand convinced that a Republican can not be a U2 fan, so I have to give up all my U2 CDs and paraphenalia. Too bad.
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80s, I'll be glad to take all your U2 merchandise off your hands.
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Well,that does it for me. I now stand convinced that a Republican can not be a U2 fan, so I have to give up all my U2 CDs and paraphenalia. Too bad.
Hahaha! lol, 80s.
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You're welcome.

Does it surprise you? I actually found it to be quite "in character" for Bono to say this.
Well, yes and no. And this is where I don't want to start another debate, but I think that Bono's convictions about preserving life (anti-war, anti-death penalty, pro-environment) might outweigh other convictions. But then I thought that he probably doesn't see it the same way that I do, and so I am not so surprised.

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I honestly want to know if there is anyone here who started liking U2 for their political views?

I highly doubt it.

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I honestly want to know if there is anyone here who started liking U2 for their political views?

I highly doubt it.

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Excellent point..
I think what arose everyones interest inc. the critics attn. was Bono's boldness,stage prescence,showmanship,and brillant song writing..

The rest are all footnotes..the speeches and rants..his passion is what enamours us all.

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U2's music can appeal to anyone because they're painting outside the box, they are presenting ideas that don't necessarily fit into any party's political agenda. They are issues that appeal to the heart, that the band feels strongly about. They are from Ireland, do you think the American liberal/conservative debate concerns them? I am glad to hear an outside perspective that ignores our sides. We can all groove to the tunes and forget about our differences. And find a way to work together!

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