How can Republicans (or political conservatives) be U2 fans
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Ody
Refugee
Well, that was actually my point, so I think I do agree with you. But, and this is just a question, do you think sharing religious or political views with a band/song helps you understand it better? In a way I would say yes, because you understand better where the band/song is coming from. But it IS music, not theology or politics, and so (as Blue Room said) is supposed to be accessible and even open to different interpretations by diffrent people.
Ody
Refugee
See now, that is very interesting to me. Thanks for posting that btw.
*tries hard not to start another debate*
adam's_mistress
Acrobat
Sure, sharing the same religious and/or political views as a band does help to better understand what they are trying to convey. But on the same token - if I were to walk blindly into a song not knowing what it was about and the song wounded up intriguing me - I would try to educate myself on what is being said so I could better understand what the song was trying to convey.
The same would go for any kind of art - literature, painting, architecture... The more you look at it, the more it intrigues and for me personally, the more it makes me want to learn about all aspects of something I find interesting. It's hard to be a jack of all trades and know everything there is about art but (it's damn near impossible especially since there is art in everything!
Man, I really would love to travel more!
This has to be the most poorly thought out and prejudiced post in this entire thread. To lump all conservatives with the likes of Jerry Falwell and Bob Barr is completely unfair and insulting. Jerry Falwell is a disgrace to conservatives the world over. Conservative isn't even the right term for him. Idiotic, intolerant and bigotted are more appropriate terms.
I won't even dignify your idiotic comparison of conservative Republicans to the Nazi party with a response.
(just FYI, but I consider myself a moderate republican at best)
U2Bama
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Isn't Congressman Bob Barr partly black?
adam's_mistress
Acrobat
Personally I think the slamming of any party - be it conservative or liberal, is unconstructive and hits a little too close to personal insults as some people take their political views very seriously. Someone blasts conservatism and likens it to Nazism. Someone blasts liberals and casts them all as communists. It's done all the time here, and quite frankly, it's stupid because no matter what political views we share we're all individuals and suspect to happenstance which can in turn mold and shape who we are politically. There will always be shitty people *on both sides* that will give everyone a bad rap. The worst I've seen here in the past is people blaming bad or negligent parenting on where a person stands politically. Ludicrous, imo. There are many facets to the individual and they shouldn't be restricted to one particular political stance. Personally, I'm a liberal. I don't think I'm a better or worse mother than anyone else. I'm not a 'tree hugging hippie' who's out protesting the war. I'm not a war mongerer, and I'm not a leftist sympathizer. And I'm certainly not about to label all conservatives as facists. That's narrowminded and won't help me better understand where someone with opposing views is coming from!
The picture is much deeper than that but when you boil it down it's quite simple. One platform adheres to your own set of beliefs and standards more than the other. Why lower yourself by slamming another person's character based on their party affiliation?
The picture is much deeper than that but when you boil it down it's quite simple. One platform adheres to your own set of beliefs and standards more than the other. Why lower yourself by slamming another person's character based on their party affiliation?
80sU2isBest
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Well,that does it for me. I now stand convinced that a Republican can not be a U2 fan, so I have to give up all my U2 CDs and paraphenalia. Too bad.
speedracer
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80s, I'll be glad to take all your U2 merchandise off your hands.
pub crawler
New Yorker
Hahaha! lol, 80s.
Ody
Refugee
Well, yes and no. And this is where I don't want to start another debate, but I think that Bono's convictions about preserving life (anti-war, anti-death penalty, pro-environment) might outweigh other convictions. But then I thought that he probably doesn't see it the same way that I do, and so I am not so surprised.
Diamond The U2 Patriot
Refugee
Excellent point..
I think what arose everyones interest inc. the critics attn. was Bono's boldness,stage prescence,showmanship,and brillant song writing..
The rest are all footnotes..the speeches and rants..his passion is what enamours us all.
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DebbieSG
Refugee
U2's music can appeal to anyone because they're painting outside the box, they are presenting ideas that don't necessarily fit into any party's political agenda. They are issues that appeal to the heart, that the band feels strongly about. They are from Ireland, do you think the American liberal/conservative debate concerns them? I am glad to hear an outside perspective that ignores our sides. We can all groove to the tunes and forget about our differences. And find a way to work together!
Lemonite
I'm a chauvinist leprechaun
Hah.. If for me to have this Proverbial 'COMPASSION' that apparently no republicans have, I have to give HUGE amounts of the salary I will make when I get out of Dental School to Welfare for a Black woman, with Seven children, each by a different father, so she Can Feed her family Filet Mignon and Roasted Red Spuds EVery night... because as she says "My Man Ain't wort Sh#t, He out wit dem hoes evry night".. or the Temptations 'papa was a rolling stone lyrics..., Then Fire your arrows at me because I regret that I could never be considered 'compassionate'.. But honestly, if all welfare was abolished.. No more babydaddy's running around cuz girls don't sleep around.. because they would'nt have any $ if they did , all the rednecks around me in the trailer parks go out and get a job, and the american society climbs up a notch And it is sad but true, that to truly be compassionate, one must be firm, and to the naked and nonintrospective eye.. Assholeish and uncompassionate.. Whatever happened to Tough Love...
Could you perhaps be a bit more histrionic and stereotypical? To hell with "compassionate." Let's start with "realistic," which this statement totally lacks.
"Tough love"? Perhaps society should be a little bit more abusive...err..."tough loving" to you.
Melon
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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time
hermes
Acrobat
How can I be a conservative and still listen to U2?
1. the music grabbed me first, my first musical remembrances are of U2, I had no idea of their politics, though even if I had I wouldn?t have cared back in kindergarten.
2. I read, listen, watch a majority of things that disagree with me on every front. Because I Can enjoy them on an artistic level.
3. Most important in terms of my views, I Try to take everything in. I want to learn and understand all he arguments. In the end the arguments will either topple what I believe or, as is more often the case, I will grow stronger in my response to them. I don't understand how anyone can have an intelligent argument without listening to the other side.
What are my favorite albums?
1. Achtung Baby- I played this almost everyday for three years
2. Zooropa- The same, I feel really connected to a lot of the feelings on these two albums
3. Unforgettable Fire- creates feelings no other music has for me.
4th would be POP, and then the rest, what can I Say, I like the experimental stuff.
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Melon said
I completely agree. I?ve watched this movement for a long while. It undermines the republican party to say we are for limits to the government and at the same time people try to use the government to push morals. The republican party is very diverse, but unfortunately it seems the moral legislators have some sort of majority at the moment. But I stay in the party, because it?s the only way to change things. And let?s not forget he Democrat party has it?s fair share of moral legislators too.
In all honesty the only real division I See between the two parties is in economics, and I think that?s a scary thing. As a Christian and a human I Moral legislators scare the hell out of me.
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As a final note, there is a real important thing I Think we should all remember here, with the exception of a few politicians and the usual bloodsuckers, both Conservatives and Liberals want what is best for people.
All this hatred being slung back and forth is idiotic. People treat their politics like it's their religion. The people on both sides of this issue want what is best and you can't change their minds by resorting to hysterics.
And that is why most of all I Can listen to U2. When I disagree with their views or a song, which isn't very often, I know that they are doing what they think is best to help the world.
It's possible to respect opinions and still disagree with them.
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Steve
SAME OLD STORY- Hardcore American Comedy
1. the music grabbed me first, my first musical remembrances are of U2, I had no idea of their politics, though even if I had I wouldn?t have cared back in kindergarten.
2. I read, listen, watch a majority of things that disagree with me on every front. Because I Can enjoy them on an artistic level.
3. Most important in terms of my views, I Try to take everything in. I want to learn and understand all he arguments. In the end the arguments will either topple what I believe or, as is more often the case, I will grow stronger in my response to them. I don't understand how anyone can have an intelligent argument without listening to the other side.
What are my favorite albums?
1. Achtung Baby- I played this almost everyday for three years
2. Zooropa- The same, I feel really connected to a lot of the feelings on these two albums
3. Unforgettable Fire- creates feelings no other music has for me.
4th would be POP, and then the rest, what can I Say, I like the experimental stuff.
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Melon said
I completely agree. I?ve watched this movement for a long while. It undermines the republican party to say we are for limits to the government and at the same time people try to use the government to push morals. The republican party is very diverse, but unfortunately it seems the moral legislators have some sort of majority at the moment. But I stay in the party, because it?s the only way to change things. And let?s not forget he Democrat party has it?s fair share of moral legislators too.
In all honesty the only real division I See between the two parties is in economics, and I think that?s a scary thing. As a Christian and a human I Moral legislators scare the hell out of me.
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As a final note, there is a real important thing I Think we should all remember here, with the exception of a few politicians and the usual bloodsuckers, both Conservatives and Liberals want what is best for people.
All this hatred being slung back and forth is idiotic. People treat their politics like it's their religion. The people on both sides of this issue want what is best and you can't change their minds by resorting to hysterics.
And that is why most of all I Can listen to U2. When I disagree with their views or a song, which isn't very often, I know that they are doing what they think is best to help the world.
It's possible to respect opinions and still disagree with them.
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Steve
SAME OLD STORY- Hardcore American Comedy
Lemonite
I'm a chauvinist leprechaun
Ah melon, True.. my statements may be stereotypical at times, but honestly, how far is it from the truth... I mean, don't ask me.. Ask the creator of 'BABY BOY'.. That movie is a materialization of my statement.. And a slow and tougher.. let people work for themselves train of thought I guarantee will get people off their asses and working, it's not the lovey handout philosophy, but there are studies that give strong evidence in that regards.. but this is a u2 post, so i'll end with teh compassionate jargon, but if you knock me for saying a perhaps somewhat stereotypical statement though with a large amount of truth in it, then please hit up 'Like someone to blame' and knock him for his stereotypical statements calling conservatives 'monsters'.. for the only monsters i am aware of are Sully and Mike wazowski hiding in my closet...
Lilly
Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB
It's so simple, they are too uncool to understand the real greatness of U2.
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TwoHeartsSL
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Anyone can be a U2 Fan. I consider myself a liberal conservative, or a conservative liberal. I am a practicing Roman Catholic and proud of it. I am anti-abortion, anti-gun, anti-death penalty,support Jubilee 2000 and cancel the debt,support soup kitchens and homeless shelters, and , most importantly, I am PRO-HUMAN. We are all in this together guys, and we had better respect each other and ourselves. There is no way on earth that everyone is going to agree on everything. U2 is about not being "pigeon-holed" into a little compartment, with people saying "well, if you a Republican, you must be for the NRA", or "If you are for human rights you are a liberal". Part of the message behind U2 is the idea that we are supposed to think about various issues, think about where we stand on an issue, and then act on our convictions. Bono said in a Musician Magazine interview back in the mid 80's that U2 is not up on stage telling people what to think, they are just trying to get them to think and then act. Their message is that people matter, and that groups of people standing up for human rights can make a difference. I have met people from all over the political spectrum at various U2 shows, and we all got along because deep down, what mattered was how other people are treated. That is what a U2 fan is.
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U2Bama
Rock n' Roll Doggie
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Some of you who are so plagued by the thought of a consevative also being a U2 fan may wish to tune in to Fox News Channel tomorrow morning at 9 A.M. Eastern time. Bono will be interviewed by Republican former Congressman/Presidential hopeful John Kasich, who was one of the first political champions of the Drop the Debt Campaing in the U.S.
~U2Alabama
Some of you who are so plagued by the thought of a consevative also being a U2 fan may wish to tune in to Fox News Channel tomorrow morning at 9 A.M. Eastern time. Bono will be interviewed by Republican former Congressman/Presidential hopeful John Kasich, who was one of the first political champions of the Drop the Debt Campaing in the U.S.
~U2Alabama
mistyrose
War Child
See, now this statement baffles me. It seems contradictory that you seem to be saying a conservative/republican can't overlook the political tones in the lyrics, yet you can overlook the religious ones???
Please correct me if that is not what you meant but that's how I interpreted it. And in that case, it's rather a double-standard, wouldn't you say?
DrTeeth
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
No, he was saying he can overlook the religious parts because religion isn't half as important to him as politics.
Assuming politics is important to conservatives, he wonders how they can overlook the obvious differences between U2's stances and theirs.
Assuming politics is important to conservatives, he wonders how they can overlook the obvious differences between U2's stances and theirs.
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