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Old 08-02-2004, 05:34 PM   #76
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For what it's worth, a PR release from the Kerry camp countering Bush's claims that Kerry has had an undistinguished Senate career.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRe...d=126-07302004
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Old 08-02-2004, 06:24 PM   #77
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The GALLUP polling organization reports that the 2004 Democratic convention is the first convention by EITHER party that did not produce a bounce for the candidate since the 1972 Democratic Convention where George McGovern was the candidate!

I think that is very signifcant. Kerry should have at least recieved a solid 6 to 8 point bounce, but instead he has lost ground. Your not supposed to lose ground after a 4 day convention like that. I don't care how polorized the electorate is. The convention is a 4 day opportunity to get some momentum and Kerry got none.

It does not mean Kerry is going to lose the election, but it is a missed opportunity and one the Democrats will not have again before election time.

The Republicans are now in the driver seat with their convention coming on August 30. Instead of having to beat back a Kerry bounce, the Republicans have the opportunity to break away from the dead heat. If they succeed in doing so in polling after their convention, the democrats will have to pray for a miracle in the debates. George Bush has gone elbow to elbow with John McCain and Al Gore, so this idea that George Bush will be easy to beat in the debates is simply wishful thinking.

The Republicans now have an opportunity that they would not of had, had the democrats recieved a bounce from their convention. The question now is whether the Republicans will be able to capitalize on this opportunity.
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I just got in from a full night out (drinks were had, so excuse the misspellings) - the area was fortified pretty good. I have never seen so many guns out on the streets as I saw tonight. And a record number (from what I saw) of the Hercules Cops with the machine guns were out. Just an update on the Jungle's situation...

I'm obviously pulling for Bush, as you can tell, but if I were taking a non-partisan look - I would say the Bush administration is looking pretty good at this point. If you are not seeing that - then I don't know what your looking at. Kerry needs to turn to personal insults if he is going to have any chance. Obviously everything he tried at the DNC was a dud. Penn, Mich. Virg. and Fla never looked so big...

Looking at the GOP convention, Arnold Schwarzenager(?) Rudy and the big man, McCain, who dissed Kerry, are marked. How dare the man ask our chief for his VP? C'mon now...However Bloomy is an iffy on this one

Recap time on the GOP Convention...

Quick recap from Newsmax..

"GOP CONVENTION TO SPOTLIGHT MCCAIN, RUDY AND ARNOLD!
Newsmax ^ | 6/28/04

Posted on 06/28/2004 7:57:18 AM PDT by areafiftyone

he Bush White House has selected Sen. John McCain, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to give prime time addresses when Republicans gather for their convention this August, in a move designed to spotlight President Bush's centrist appeal.

McCain's starring Republican role is something of a finger in the eye to Democrats, who had pinned their hopes on the Arizona Republican teaming up with Sen. John Kerry in what experts called a political "dream team."

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Kerry had reportedly asked McCain to run as his vice president no fewer than seven time in recent months, only to be repeatedly rebuffed. On Friday an embarrassed Kerry denied being rejected, saying he had yet to ask anyone to be his VP.

Giuliani's appearance is expected to highlight Bush's strong national security credentials, conjuring of memories of Republican leadership in the wake of the 9/11 attacks at a time when the city still remains under terrorist threat.

Gov. Schwarzenegger's prime time role suggests the White House has hopes of carrying California, where the newly elected Republican has managed to garner sky-high approval ratings. White House strategists are hoping his reputation as a moderate will help blunt Democratic criticism that the GOP has veered too far to the right.

New York Gov. George Pataki is also slated for a prime time address. Either Pataki or Giuliani is expected to renominate President Bush, a scene that is sure to further remind viewers of 9/11.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who secured the convention for the city - is not expected to play a major role. A nominal Republican, his lower profile at the GOP event is expected to help him maintain his centrist appeal as he begins his own reelection campaign in a city where Democrats outnumber Republicans five-to-one."
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I'm obviously pulling for Bush, as you can tell, but if I were taking a non-partisan look - I would say the Bush administration is looking pretty good at this point. If you are not seeing that - then I don't know what your looking at. Kerry needs to turn to personal insults if he is going to have any chance. Obviously everything he tried at the DNC was a dud. Penn, Mich. Virg. and Fla never looked so big...
That's weird. According to recent polls, 58% of voters in New York are planning to vote for Kerry, and 30% are planning on voting for Bush. Additionally, only 37% of New Yorkers approve of President Bush's job performance, well below the national average of 50% approval. So it's odd that what you're seeing leads you to believe that the Bush campaign is doing well in New York.

Also, it's weird that you say that the only way Kerry can win is to resort to personal attacks, since that's what the Bush campaign is preparing to do. It's almost like you're posting from some sort of bizarro world where everything is reversed. Weird.
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You know whats wierd, its that you only look at ONE State when their are 5-0.

hah, I have an idea, lets take a look through tunnel vision.
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You live in fifty states?! I thought you were commenting on what you see "looking around."
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Old 08-03-2004, 02:21 AM   #82
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ahh, smart response. i see you proved my tunnel response.

I read about the ongoings around me as well.

You obviously did a lot of research if you had to get numbers to back up your New York numbers. Dude, for real, if you had to get proof that NY was going Dem., you should not be posting here, go to amateur hour. I have an idea, have you seen the numbers for Texas and Calif. Which ways are they going again..........
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Old 08-03-2004, 02:32 AM   #83
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So you'd rather I posted without proof? You're very confusing.

And if reading about the ongoings around you means listening to Hannity and reading NewsMax, then I can see why you believe as you do.
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I do listen to Hannity daily, but thats not here nor there. And i'm not trying to start "little web fights" cuz thats stupid, I just felt i had to respond to your NY comment.

The fact is the Dems should have had a bounce and i know i said before that most people are set in their ways, which explains the non-bounce, but there is still 10% of voters out there wondering which way to go. why no bounce?

I just wrote something and deleted it cuz i thought i might be instigating, but, from the Dems response, is dean hurting you? pataki just called him a moron and Lieberman said ignore him pretty much. Should the sems keep him out of the light?
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Because Dean is saying that the terror alerts may be politically motivated? That's a good question. I'm not sure how his statements are being taken by swing voters. It could be that he's hurting Kerry.

But I'll ask you this: when the authorities start letting trucks through on the bridges in NYc will it be because they have new information that al-Qaeda is no longer targeting those financial buildings? Or will it be some other reason?
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It is interesting that the Dems dont have a bounce. Its probably because Kerry violated the number 1 rule. Never pick a running mate with more charisma than you do.

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But I'll ask you this: when the authorities start letting trucks through on the bridges in NYc will it be because they have new information that al-Qaeda is no longer targeting those financial buildings? Or will it be some other reason?
Now let me hear you clearly, this "other reason" you are not infering that the government would be allowing an attack to take place to create a "climate of fear" would you?
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Old 08-03-2004, 02:58 AM   #87
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Or it could be that there are so few undecided voters. Remember, in 2000 Gore needed a big bounce after the DNC just to pull even with Bush. Kerry was already polling well before the convention, especially as someone running against an incumbent. I'll reserve any judgement on the doom and gloom scenarios until after the Republican convention.

Edited because you edited during my reply:

No, I'm not a part of the tinfoil hat crowd. However I do believe that the government is trying to create a culture of fear through the terror alerts.

They're closing the bridges to trucks because of the most recent terror threat. Tomorrow's papers will report that the intelligence that the most recent terror alert was based on was three or four years old. Now, it's not unreasonable to be concerned about any intelligence about al-Qaeda. But what I want to know is, when they do reopen the bridges will it be because they have new intelligence refuting the old intelligence? Will it be because they've caught the planners? Or will it be like it always is, because people would not tolerate bridge closures for years while the government sorted out its intelligence. They're closing the bridge now why? They don't have a specific date that the attack might occur on, the intelligence is very old. But they will reopen the bridges soon. Why close them in the first place?
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I don't get this thread. The polls I read from Friday showed a 4% loss of independents from W's numbers and added to Kerry's.

He was down to 44% and Kerry up to 49%.

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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/polit...ll_040802.html
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These polls are making me .

I think depending on what you want to believe, that's whatever poll you'll go to.
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They Still Can't Figure Out Why.....

So why did Bush, not Kerry, get the bounce?

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Pollsters and strategists are puzzling over Kerry's failure to get a boost from a convention that even critics acknowledged went almost precisely as planned. Polls show it improved voters' impressions of Kerry as a strong leader and a potential commander in chief. It burnished views of the Democratic Party.
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