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Old 04-27-2005, 03:59 PM   #16
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The purpose of the bill was to inform the citizens of the rights they already had.

I guess that is messed up.
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Old 04-27-2005, 04:01 PM   #17
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thread title reads: "House OKs"

should read "Texas House"

Texas is one messed-up state.

not surprised by anything that comes out of Texas
So spanking is extreme to you?
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Old 04-27-2005, 04:26 PM   #18
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I do not see anything wrong with spanking and I also think it should be allowed in schools. Children are out of control and have no respect for rules or authority. If they thought they were going to get their butts wacked they would think twice about their behavior. I got spanked once when I was in school and that was in the first grade. Hence, I never needed another and was not damaged in anyway.
I know there are some very nice children but most of them are just out right sickening.
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So is this bill fairly specific about what is allowed under the term "corporal punishment" Is it just a light spanking? Spanking with a paddle so hard that the kid turns black and blue? Or whatever physical force they deem necessary?

I also wonder why it is considered OK to hit a child when hitting an adult can result in criminal charges.
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I do not see anything wrong with spanking and I also think it should be allowed in schools. Children are out of control and have no respect for rules or authority. If they thought they were going to get their butts wacked they would think twice about their behavior. I got spanked once when I was in school and that was in the first grade. Hence, I never needed another and was not damaged in anyway.
I know there are some very nice children but most of them are just out right sickening.
Problem is how do you monitor or control the spanking? When another is spanking your child how do you know they won't go too far?
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I also wonder why it is considered OK to hit a child when hitting an adult can result in criminal charges.
You aren't hitting to inflict them with pain. You are resorting to a form of discipline that is not violent, but out of your right to guidance as a parent to get your child's attention.
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I also wonder why it is considered OK to hit a child when hitting an adult can result in criminal charges.
That's what my mom always said. She also thought it was a pretty pathetic adult that needs to hit a child to get his or her point across. Besides someday that child is going to grow up and in many cases be bigger than the adult that hit him or her.

I think the primary lesson taught by spanking (force works) would be better left untaught. Any gain from spanking is short lived.

I remember a kid in one of my classes being taken out in the hall and spanked. I also remember knowing that if anyone spanked me, I would have to kill him or her. I knew full well I couldn't do it then, but I would someday. Nobody hits me because they aren't smart enough to come up with a better method of discipline and gets away with it.

It's been over 30 years since that happened and I still remember it very strongly. I also remember the teacher (he still lives in the area). I still don't like or respect him at all. And I wasn't even the one spanked.
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I would suggest that an environment where there are no consequences to behavior is worse than spanking.
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I would suggest that an environment where there are no consequences to behavior is worse than spanking.
I agree, but there is an in between.
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I would suggest that an environment where there are no consequences to behavior is worse than spanking.
Do you honestly think that spanking is the only negative consequence? That's what my mum meant when she thought adults who resorted to spanking were pathetic. An adult should be able to come up with some consequense a child will be unhappy with without resorting to assault (which is what it would be called if it was done to another adult). Otherwise you're just not thinking hard enough.
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i'm agnostic to parents spanking, but there should be no corporal punishment in schools.

most of my mother's side of the family went to catholic schools in the 1950s and 1960s, and they have horror stories to tell. in school, corporal punishment does little but to make the gentle kids cry and the tough kids resentful.
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most of my mother's side of the family went to catholic schools in the 1950s and 1960s, and they have horror stories to tell. in school, corporal punishment does little but to make the gentle kids cry and the tough kids resentful.
Both of my parents went to Catholic schools in the late '40s and early '50s. I've heard the horror stories too, and I remember thinking how thankful I was that I grew up in a more enlightened era.

This bill is just one more sign that we are back-pedaling as a society.
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I remember a kid in one of my classes being taken out in the hall and spanked. I also remember knowing that if anyone spanked me, I would have to kill him or her.
I remember having similar thoughts about parents and teachers I knew who thought nothing of 'whooping' their children or students in public. On the other hand, I'd have to say the kids I remember them 'whooping' seldom seemed as bothered by it as I was. I think I was just more sensitive to the element of shaming and humiliation in these punishments than they were. Which partly explains, I guess, why I was a well-behaved child--I dreaded being shamed, especially publicly, and went out of my way to avoid it.

That said, I think shame is a poor foundation to build a child's moral compass on, and I strive to avoid it with my own children. It's very important to me that they understand their punishments are for doing bad things, not for being bad people. Easier said than done, though...
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this is Texas

i'd think twice

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"10-year-old Texas boy fatally shoots his father at start of weekend visit"

HOUSTON (AP) - A 10-year-old boy fatally shot his physician father after the man arrived to pick him up for a weekend visit, authorities said.

Rick James Lohstroh, 41, was struck several times Friday as he sat in his sport utility vehicle, said Sgt. B. E. Williams of the Harris County Sheriff's Department. The boy, using his mother's gun, fired through the back seat before getting out of the vehicle and continuing to shoot, Williams said. Lohstroh, a doctor at the University of Texas Medical Branch, died on the way to a hospital.

Deputy Jeff Dixie would not discuss the boy's whereabouts or charges.
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Do you honestly think that spanking is the only negative consequence? That's what my mum meant when she thought adults who resorted to spanking were pathetic. An adult should be able to come up with some consequense a child will be unhappy with without resorting to assault (which is what it would be called if it was done to another adult). Otherwise you're just not thinking hard enough.
The ability to spank is a far more powerful tool than the actual spanking.

Children mouthing off to their parents "I know my rights" "I'll call the police" etc. is unaccepatble.

My hope is that my children will simply not want to disobey, not fear consequences of disobedience.
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