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Old 03-18-2005, 01:19 PM   #1
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Honesty or Humility

In the recent "Know thy fellow FYMers" thread, I found it interesting that a number of people said "arrogance" (or similar term) as the characteristic that they despised. A few mentioned "dishonesty". I was curious why "arrogance" ranked so high.

If placed side by side, which is worse:


A person humbly telling you a lie?

A person pompously telling you the truth?
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Re: Honesty or Humility

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In the recent "Know thy fellow FYMers" thread, I found it interesting that a number of people said "arrogance" (or similar term) as the characteristic that they despised. A few mentioned "dishonesty". I was curious why "arrogance" ranked so high.

If placed side by side, which is worse:


A person humbly telling you a lie?

A person pompously telling you the truth?
I'm not sure if you can humbly tell a lie. Telling a lie entails the fact that you think they'll buy it, which is arrogant in itself. Most lies are told to protect yourself, I see no humility in that.

Are they pompously telling you THE truth or their truth? That's what makes the difference for me.
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Re: Honesty or Humility

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A person humbly telling you a lie?

A person pompously telling you the truth?

i don't think i understand the question.
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Old 03-18-2005, 02:22 PM   #4
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Someone who believes in ‘absolute truth” would not care how arrogant the truth teller was
if it was indeed an absolute truth that was proferred.
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Many humble people lie about themselves because they are embarrassed about aspects of themselves or insecure

Many arrogant people lie because they think they can always get away with it, and they think the truth according to them is the truth

I am a big fan of humility and honesty, and I think some lies are worse than others. Some lies are more understandable.
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I'd rather honest arrogance, than dishonest humility.
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dishonest humility.
Is there really such thing?
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Re: Honesty or Humility

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A person humbly telling you a lie?
This would make me lose my trust in that person, no doubt.

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A person pompously telling you the truth?
This would strike a nerve with me, probably even more than the dishonest person. It has been said that "nobody likes a smartass." I find it rather true, there's a way to be honest without being a jerk about it.

Obviously both are undesirable characteristics to deal with. I think a liar is a trader, but everybody lies at some point. If a girl asks you if she looks fat, you're probably going to lie. Of course, the most hated types are those who would say "Yeah, you're a complete fatty! Quit eating those hamburgers and do something about it!"
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Old 03-18-2005, 04:04 PM   #10
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Is there really such thing?
Dishonest humility? Hell, yes. To be irreverent, I think Bono practices it a little. I like his arrogance better.

PS Arrogant doesn't necessarily mean nasty. A certain kind of arrogance is attractive.
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These "sorting things out" threads we've been having in Free Your Mind have been intriguing.

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Hi!

To me arrogance is flaunting what one knows or deems to know. Hey if people what to show off......well let them. Some people like the limelight.

I choose the humble way and keep a low profile. I much prefer the shadow.

But whatever turns you on.......neither is right or wrong.

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To me, arrogance has an immediate yet superficial impact.

Dishonesty may be subtle, but may have a serious impact at some point.
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I don't see how you can lie and be truly humble at the same time. Putting on an air of humility while telling a lie isn't true humility - just the pretense of it.
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I don't see how you can lie and be truly humble at the same time. Putting on an air of humility while telling a lie isn't true humility - just the pretense of it.
Exactly
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