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Old 09-04-2005, 05:53 AM   #106
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I don´t like this comparison.

No one is saying the problem of poverty can be solved that easily. There is absolutely no sense in an Africa vs. New Orleans who-is-off-worse argument.

Indeed, Fizz, you will probably agree with me when I say it is hitting the same people.
I didn't mean to compare the situation in which people living in the poorest areas of Africa and people living in New Orelans find themselves in today. I was just pointing out that I expect Jamila would be offended if someone made a comment about African people which was as judgemental as her comment about the people of New Orleans. I'm not comparing the two situations, just trying to explain why some of the judgemental comments made about people in New Orleans have offended a lot of people.
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Old 09-04-2005, 06:11 AM   #107
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The manner in which Jamilla was attacked, was OUT of line. There were people who made responses to her posting that were 100% appropriate.

However, there was at least ONE very personal and not acceptable post in my mind.
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Old 09-04-2005, 06:21 AM   #108
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The volume and gang warfare mentality was not very appropriate either. Makes 2 wrongs, really, if people are so insistant that being right is paramount over manners.

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Old 09-04-2005, 06:23 AM   #109
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It's nice to see that some of the regulars in here, who have been on other sides of the issue stick up for a member.

Sadly some just jump on the bandwagon...
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The manner in which Jamilla was attacked, was OUT of line. There were people who made responses to her posting that were 100% appropriate.

However, there was at least ONE very personal and not acceptable post in my mind.
Agreed, and that person doesn't have the best history on this forum, so it isn't really surprising...
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Old 09-04-2005, 08:05 AM   #111
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I don't know if I'd call it racism (although there is that) as much as class discrimination, but I get the feeling the government sees the poor (who are mostly black) as being somehow less important, almost subhuman.


can racism and class discrimination be so easily extracted from one another?

in the US, especially in the south, one is pretty much the same thing as the other.
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Old 09-04-2005, 09:51 AM   #112
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The manner in which Jamilla was attacked, was OUT of line. There were people who made responses to her posting that were 100% appropriate.

However, there was at least ONE very personal and not acceptable post in my mind.
I'm sorry...is this thread about Kanye West, or about Jamilla?

I think most of us let that one go yesterday....
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I'm with you Zoney my old friend.
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Someone reopened it..

thanks for quoting me though....
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Hey, perhaps we should all prey that Jamila will recieve a natural disaster so people will help her out?
This was a little out of line too, my friend.

It is stupid to say the poor in New Orleans weren´t really poor, I also know some personally and they are very, very fine people - everyone I have met there - so I raised my eyebrows critically at some of the points of Jamila´s post.

But there is no reason to pray that someone is hit by a disaster. And I really despise when people rot together for a vendetta.

This was just ugly, and I am surprised that plain members of this board had to interfere.
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This was a little out of line too, my friend.
No REALLY, that could not be taken seriously. I put the rolleyes there and used that sarcastic comment to try and satirize Jamilia's attitude towards this disaster.

Let me make it clear that in no way did I mean that literally, and I thought that was obvious.

Jamila implied that the poor of NO we're going to be better off in a few years as a result of the Hurricane and the following aid. And to resent that, helping people to survive, is just nonsense. Hence the sarcastic comment, as if we should hope Jamila is hit by a disaster so in a few years she will be better off as a result. Obviously not literally.

Do you understand?
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No REALLY, that could not be taken seriously. I put the rolleyes there and used that sarcastic comment to try and satirize Jamilia's attitude towards this disaster.

Let me make it clear that in no way did I mean that literally, and I thought that was obvious.
I see. Wow, what a sarcasm.
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I see. Wow, what a sarcasm.
Nearly as effective as yours right there.
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Nearly as effective as yours right there.
True dat
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Kanye West is fucking brilliant.
he's a brilliant.... a$$hole/opportunist (dollar signs intended.)

and his message was so scatterbrained there was no way you could give it any credibility. He said something about asking his business manager how much he could donate. Yeah, let's see the numbers Kanye, how much did you donate? Put your money where your mouth is.

He would have done more good encouraging his fans to donate than by totally pissing on the whole idea that the Hurricane Relief concert was.

NO CLASS. NO INTEGRITY. NO GOOD JUDGEMENT.

There is a time and a place for that sort of debate, but not during an event that is geared toward raising money.
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