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Old 10-16-2005, 10:13 AM   #16
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And I have utter contempt for men who either encourage or require their wives to wear one.

Would you have utter contempt for women who either encourage or require their husbands to help out with housework?
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I agree with yolland, foray, and hiphop. Honestly I'm surprised so many people who I'd consider to be more liberal are so tenatively supportive of this. I cannot say why Muslim women wear burkas, because I am not a Muslim woman, but it would be nice if for once government would stop thinking it knows what is best for people. I am not saying there is not systemic abuse of women in Islam; growing up with Western values it certainly would seem that way to me. But for the government to step in and ban a piece of cultural clothing is in my opinion ridiculous, contrary to the principles of democracy, and fails to address the root of the problem in the first place. (assuming the problem is Islamic terrorism, not Islam itself )
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This is ridiculous. They just can't ban a piece of clothing. Do they have enough police officers in the Netherlands to bust every woman who wears a burka? It's not fair to go after the women and not the men. Why don't they ban caftans while they're at it?
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I agree with yolland, foray, and hiphop. Honestly I'm surprised so many people who I'd consider to be more liberal are so tenatively supportive of this. I cannot say why Muslim women wear burkas, because I am not a Muslim woman, but it would be nice if for once government would stop thinking it knows what is best for people. I am not saying there is not systemic abuse of women in Islam; growing up with Western values it certainly would seem that way to me. But for the government to step in and ban a piece of cultural clothing is in my opinion ridiculous, contrary to the principles of democracy, and fails to address the root of the problem in the first place. (assuming the problem is Islamic terrorism, not Islam itself )
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Would you have utter contempt for women who either encourage or require their husbands to help out with housework?


Doing housework doesn't mean you're being treated like a possession with no individual identity. In fact, sharing/splitting chores maintains equality and respect.
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Would you have utter contempt for women who either encourage or require their husbands to help out with housework?
I can't decide what I find most interesting about your comment, the fact that you appear to accept the premise that housework is a woman's responsibility or the fact that you seem to imply an equivalence between a woman being forced to wear a particular style of dress (which isn't to say I accept that any woman who wears a burqa does so because she is coerced into doing so) and a man being expected to make an equal contribution to the upkeep of his home.
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Calm down I was actually joking.
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Calm down I was actually joking.
ah-ha. then let's blame the misunderstanding on the internet's inability to adequately convey humour/sarcasm.
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