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Old 01-11-2002, 09:12 PM   #1
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Hockey dad found guilty of involuntary manslaughter

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It's weird. What he did was terrible. Yet I feel sorry for him. He obviously has a rage problem. I wish our prisons were more rehabilitive so people like him could get a second chance.

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It's weird. What he did was terrible. Yet I feel sorry for him. He obviously has a rage problem. I wish our prisons were more rehabilitive so people like him could get a second chance.

Agreed. Both men had very rough lives, from what I understand.
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I have very little sympathy for this man. I'm sure if I knew him personally I'd have more sympathy. But as it stands, I think it's unfortunate he'll probably get out in 3-4 years. He should be locked up for 20 or more years. I don't give a damn what his excuses are, he killed someone over a hockey practice that got too physical for his liking.
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The coach shouldn't have replied as he allegedly did. But it is inexcusable for the dad to keep on and on and on hitting the coach. What pub crawler said, plus another 80 years.
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...plus another 80 years.
Actually I agree with that.
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I guess I'm just very sympathetic for murderers. Yes, I know that sounds fucked up. But the way I look at it, there is something that caused them to be that way. Yes, they are responsible for the decisions they make. But what happened in their childhood? What influenced them to make a bad choice?

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Mikal - Would you feel sorry for Hitler if he was the product of an f'd up childhood?

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I don't know the history of his childhood. But if he had a rotten childhood, I'd feel bad for him, yet never condone his actions. There's always more than what's on the surface.

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I don't know the history of his childhood. But if he had a rotten childhood, I'd feel bad for him, yet never condone his actions. There's always more than what's on the surface.
Well, if he had a horrible childhood then I feel sorry for him too, but in my opinion he has to be held accountable for his actions here, regardless. And I don't think 3 or 4 years is enough prison time.

Actually, the more pertinent issue for me is the increase of incidents in youth sports where parents are getting violent 'cause they don't like the fact that their kid is sitting on the bench, and things of that sort.

Frankly, because I've read enough of these types of stories lately, my first instinct is that this guy is another who falls in to the "moron sports parent" category -- that's how I'm judging him.

I could be wrong but I'm just going by what I've read in the published accounts of this story, which are admittedly somewhat brief.

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Argh-this case is so upsetting to me I don't think I can put it into words. In my opinion, this guy is the sort of guy who 'speaks with his fists' and always has to have the last word. His 'macho ego' was threatened-and it became about that and not the checking in the game or whatever.

He went back into that rink to 'have the last word' with Mr. Costin-and NOTHING he did justified Junta's actions. If anyone saw the pictures of the bruised female employeee of the rink-the woman who tried to stop him-that is evidence of his intent in my opinion. Nothing and no one was going to stop him. A 270 lb. man attacked a 150 lb man and claimed he 'couldn't escape' from him-huh? He 'escaped' when he left the rink-and he never should have gone back in. I sincerely hope he regrets it every waking moment.

He now faces only 3-6 years, as opposed to 6-12. I would like to know how he lives w/ this-and how he lives w/ the fact that he beat a man to death w/ his fists in front of his sons-and in front of Mr. Costin's sons.

I feel sorry for his kids having a father who was capable of such a thing. But my sympathy truly goes out to Mr. Costin's children. Two witnessed their father being beaten to death. One actually climbed into his father's casket at the wake he was so overcome with grief.
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I guess I'm just very sympathetic for murderers. Yes, I know that sounds fucked up. But the way I look at it, there is something that caused them to be that way. Yes, they are responsible for the decisions they make. But what happened in their childhood? What influenced them to make a bad choice?

I sort of agree. Yet I remember the case in Texas a couple of years ago where a woman who had been repeatedly horribly abused by her husband was put to death for killing him. And this guy only gets 3-6 years? I mean, I think the sentences in both of those cases were fucked up. That poor woman felt she had no other out but to kill her abuser and she was put to death for it. This guy gets off easier than he should for killing someone in a fit of rage. 3-6 years is nothing for killing someone, when you could get life in prison for a 3rd offense of smoking pot (someone correct me on that one if I'm wrong...)

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All I have to say is that its a shame it had to come to this, but it was an eventuality. Time and time again, hockey moms and dads get aggressive and lose sight that the child only wants to have fun. They force their kids into things with the dream of having them become the next Wayne Gretzky, but lets face it, its not going to happen. They blame absolutely everyone they can, it does them no good, and they continue to whine and bitch, throw pop bottles at referees, argue with other moms and dads. Something had to break. Maybe thisll teach them to shut the hell up, teach them that kids are trying to have fun playing hockey, not at the age of 6 or 10 that theyre going to become the best in the world, its too much pressure and its too infeasable. If theyd just give the kids space, let the referees do their jobs, and give the coaches a little credit, then there wouldnt be such problems, but everyone is all hung up over how well they want their kid to do regardless of the fact how much they suck.
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killed with absolutely no reason -------100%guilty------ my punishment : 30 years in jail with no right of going earlier
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People should be held accountable for all their actions. We should never make ANY excuses for one man killing another.
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